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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

This is a fairly long article, but it includes only a fraction of the questions that I think need to be asked about the likely real "birthdate" of virus spread. This article (like my previous article on The Socratic Method) shows that one question produces other important questions. I actually think this is why the Censorship Industrial Complex created by our rulers is so important to them. They don't want one or two good questions to lead to other good questions.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

whole lot more of questions, and no answers! The PCR test cannot be used to determine illness. I read there was a valid test made early on in South Korea, but it was refused by the US because they wanted the failing PCR test (sold by an illegal lab in CA run by some criminals?). This whole thing stinks from start to finish. I think the US military made both virus and jabs, the virus was not new as Dr Martin stated very early on - the old one form 20 years ago is largely patented (illegally) by the US, so many possibilities how it could have been carried around, some even suggest that people were infected and the spread it on purpose. We can really not exclude much. I almost exclude the possibility that it came from Wuhan. It might have been a finger pointing to China in order to cause a war. And we can also not forget the October gates-JohnsHopkins farce 'imagine what would happen if there were an epidemic" game. I don't like to think of it, but may be we need to get hard on some people to get them to tell the truth.

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

Thanks for the support, Ingrid. The only thing that is perfectly clear to me is that a legitimate investigation into the real start date of virus spread is off limits.

This thought/belief prompts this question: Why is it off limits?

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GLK's avatar

Kary Mullis fully debunked PCR as a diagnostic tool. Call me silly but I’ll take his word over all the media talking heads trying to convince me otherwise.

It is clear to my silly mind that PCR’s limited scope and poor reliability was exploited to further a manufactured agenda designed to take everyone’s eye off the ball for the purposes of furthering a predetermined plan.

I’ve no doubt covid had been circulating long ahead of March 2020. Weren’t the talking heads warning us of a particularly nasty flu season ramping up in 2019? Was it the flu? Or did they release a viral chimera?

The timing of it all is highly questionable. How convenient after trying every trick in the book they (and by “they” I include China, University Administrators, Politicians, and corporate executives) could not dial back the spread of Nationalism that was beginning to eclipse Globalism.

The virus in many ways really did reset their agenda. Thus, even though I have no proof I find it impossible to believe it was a cowinkydink. The real big question in my mind is, was covid really a laboratory construct? (Bonus points for figuring out how it was spread) Or did they destabilize the entire world with a huge propaganda campaign over the flu?

Regardless, the vicious disregard for human life was on display for those willing to look under the veil of forcible mandates, propaganda, and clinical blinders.

Lots died, were injured, and were made economically poorer needlessly. Knowing that should send a signal that going forward nothing is off the table.

Young and old. Men and women. Boys and girls. Children and infants. They’re all expendable. Game pieces used by a relative few that hold the strings of power to advance an agenda that you or I have absolutely no say in.

If the Pandemic proved anything it is, the American Republic is slated for destruction and there can be no democracy anywhere in the world. Big Brother knows best.

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

It's amazing to me how easy it was for a dubious narrative (Covid definitely wasn't infecting anyone else in the world before January 2020) can become "settled science."

What person or organization (that matters) ever questioned the key premise?

If they can fool people this easy - or know that nobody who matters will question their version of events - aren't they probably going to keep pushing ridiculous scientific facts?

This explains how they became so brazen. They know none of their authorized narratives will be challenged and possibly debunked.

Knowing this, we're going to get more bogus narratives in the future.

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GLK's avatar

Agree. Fear over an invisible deadly menace was powerful. So much so all critical thinking, common sense, and everything we were sure we knew about colds and flu went straight out the window.

People were too busy hoarding toilet paper and hand sanitizer to take a step back, take a breath, and think.

Everything was expendable. Freedom, liberty, personal sovereignty were all laid at the feet of our betters in government, NIH, WHO, WEF, and more. Take them! We said. Just save us from the invisible menace! They were happy to oblige.

I should add that at the dinner table this Thanksgiving my fully vaxxed and bought into the covid narrative in-laws mentioned someone they knew had just died of covid. Still happening. Wow. Better stay juiced.

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James Baer's avatar

We were all looking for some health expert to challenge the narrative. Lo and behold, they had all been bought, silenced, or compromised. That’s more terrifying than an invisible virus.

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

My next article is going to try to ILLUSTRATE just how captured all the important "truth-seeking" organizations really are.

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GLK's avatar

It seems to me that people are relatively easy to capture via Money and Fear.

The rest are Fools convinced they’re doing the right thing.

Last are a small percentage of nihilistic psychopaths that truly enjoy hurting people.

All these groups label us, the bad guys.

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

The proof is in the pudding. It was incredibly easy to manipulate and capture all these people and organizations ... for the reasons you cite.

That's what's so scary.

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GLK's avatar

There were health experts that rebelled. However, not being dummies, the scam artists expected it and planned for it.

They used their connections to slam the door on getting the word out. Then used ridicule, punishment, and infiltration with controlled opposition to derail expert dissenters from legitimacy.

The target was the listeners. They knew if enough people took the criticism seriously it’d catch fire and they’d be done. So they threw water on it immediately.

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James Baer's avatar

From the early days of Covid, I told myself, “I smell a rat.” I really didn’t want to believe it. Over time, I can’t get over how smelly the rat really is.

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

I smelled that rat almost instantly when I started doing my "early spread" research. When I wrote my first big "explosive" story (on the obvious early cases of Tim and Brandie McCain of Sylacauga, Alabama), I thought this was a huge story. This story proves that Covid had been spreading throughout America weeks or months before the experts said it was spreading in America.

Then I quickly learned no prominent news organization would publish my story. In fact, no editor I submitted my article took any interest in the story. Nobody asked any follow-up questions or wanted to see any more of my evidence.

This told me I had stumbled upon a "taboo" subject or story. This also told me even the "watchdog" media was captured and "in on" the conspiracy to cover up the truth.

This knowledge sent chills down my spine. None of the organizations that should be exposing important stories were interested in doing this. They were more interested in concealing the truth.

My main take-away then and now hasn't changed: Don't trust the experts, authorities or the watchdog" press. All the truth-seeking organizations are completely captured.

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GLK's avatar

I thought exactly the same thing and felt exactly the same way. I smelled the same stench wafting over 9/11 building 7, the Vegas shooting, 1/6 “insurrection”, Antifa/BLM riots, illegal immigration, Maui and Canadian wildfires, Ukraine and Israeli wars, inflation, the 2020 elections, the CIA, FBI, Gen Milley, Transgenderism, College indoctrination camps, and most mass shooting events. Nothing is coincidental, accidental, or organic. We are being led.

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Joel W. Hay, PhD's avatar

As I said in March 2020 and earlier, there were direct flights between Wuhan and Milano every day because of the fashion industry and Wuhan to New York also because of the fashion industry. Each person on those planes was probably infected in fall 2019 if not much earlier. They would have infected most other airline passengers and by mixing at NY and Milano airports would have infected airline passengers traveling everywhere in the world. It would only take about 2 weeks for every city with an airport to become infected. This would have happened long before 2020 and was verified by testing Barcelona sewage in March 2019 which was already positive. Notice how the authorities hid the municipal sewage data from 2018 and 2019 from everyone! I tried to get it locally and even testified at an Arizona state legislature in early 2020 that we needed the sewage data from everywhere going back several years to know what was really happening. The authorities kept the municipal sewage data private to this very day, even thought they have been using it to surveil their populations everywhere!

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

Yep. You don't need a PhD in epidemiology to know that a super contagious virus would have spread around the world in a matter of weeks.

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Fred Jewett's avatar

Lots of good questions that boil down to the powers with the authority to chase down these questions already knew the answers and didn't want their plans revealed. How a million or so doctors, technicians, biologists, pharma employees managed to be kept silent for the most part is the weak link in their plan. Gradually people are coming forward to spill their information. It might take a generation (or 60 years in the case of JFK assassination) for enough truth to come out. Fortunately we are in an age of rapid communication so at least many of us have seen enough to know not to trust government, big tech and the medical industrial complex. The now question is how to stop the powers that be from doing again, also poisoning the food supply, intentional airborne spread, etc.

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

The one message I am trying to spread is ... Don't trust the experts and authorities. To use the Socratic Method: Why do we continue to trust known/proven liars?

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Fred Jewett's avatar

Thanks Bill. I loved your deep dive over the past few months into early spread. "Trust" is something most people consider as an earned virtue. I certainly don't automatically "trust" people. I wait for them to prove they are trustworthy, unless they come with suitable references. The government I trust the least as Ronald Regan famously said "The scariest 10 words are "I'm from the government and I am here to help".

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

Thank you, Fred. You've always been a great supporter of my writing. That means a great deal to me.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Has anyone done a thorough investigation of the occurrence of respiratory illnesses in Chapel Hill NC in late 2019 - early 2020?

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

Do you have any links or more details from your memory?

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Roger Beal's avatar

I asked if anyone has ever looked for or found such data - I do not have it, only a strong suspicion that it exists.

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Fred Jewett's avatar

Their is a reader of Bill's Substack who reported a number of deaths in the population around Chapel Hill. Unfortunately I don't recall her name but she is convinced a virus was circulating as early as Summertime in that area.

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rjt's avatar

The more interesting area is actually Maryland around Fort Detrick which had an infective event in the summer of 2019.

There was a closure of one of the facilities.

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Sumotoad's avatar

In May of 2020, I wrote, “There is a pandemic, but it is a pandemic of testing and not of any virus.” I am tickled pink that I have never had to give an inch on that statement.

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John Seaman's avatar

Bill great article raising the forbidden questions on COVID that the media refuses to ask. You having the same issues I had by the media ignoring the forbidden questions on the crime of the century the Russian hoax coup. Keep repeating the Forbidden questions as it’s the only way to raise awareness in the public forum over CoVID. https://jseaman.substack.com/p/forbidden-media-questions-it-takes

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

Thanks for reminding readers the bogus narratives are much more than Covid issues.

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rjt's avatar

Jeff Brown of financial newsletter Brownstone Research wrote a couple of years ago that he had had the original SARS while working in Japan in 2003. He had some testing done and still showed immunity. I didn't follow any further but assumed that he had T-cells checked.

I had an infection in Nov., 2019, likely acquired from a patient who had tested positive by NAAT at the Provincial Lab for "likely Coronavirus or Rhinovirus." It was a fair ordeal to have the specimen tested- "It is not in the Health Authority budget."

My wife had her Covid at the end of January, 2020. We both had Omicron in Feb., 2022, after our son came back from Germany and tested positive on a Lateral Flow Test. I paid for an antibody test in May, 2020, and tested negative (N antibody.) The instructions noted that the test was not sensitive after about 3 months.

There is a scurrilous article in CMAJ, Dec. 5, 2022, from Dana Skowrunski, Bonnie Henry, et al., looking at seroprevalence of Covid in B.C., Canada. They neglect to acknowledge the fading of the antibody test they use. GIGO. The article was used to promote more vaxxing, "We need everyone immune!"

As our immunity fades and the bioweapon virus mutates, especially under vaxx pressure, I assume that there are no unexposed humans left. The control groups were intentionally corrupted in the initial vaxx "trials" and the analytical testing and interpretations have been fraudulent from the onset.

Anandamide's article this week just shows one more aspect of the scam.

The paucity of autopsies in the "Suddenly and Unexpectedly Dead" crowd is just further evidence of the institutionalised concealment of the true situation.

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

I agree, rjt. The fact "detectable" antibodies fade in many people in a few months is hugely significant IMO. Also, Just because someone gets a "negative" antibody test doesn't mean they don't have natural immunity. Real immunity seems to be better proven by T cells and other factors.

Why did so many people who were sick with possible Covid in the months before official Covid not later contract PCR-test Covid? It would have been easy to do a study of these people.

I'm like you. I had all the Covid symptoms in January 2020 and tested "negative" for antibodies in mid-May 2020. I still think I had Covid. There are several reasons I think this: 1) My symptoms weren't exactly like other bouts of the flu or seasonal bugs. 2) I never got Covid after that.

Also, my two children were sick at the same time as me (their symptoms weren't as bad) and they also have never tested positive for Covid since.

But antibodies DO last and can be picked up in some people and I have identified hundreds of such people.

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Mel Clifton's avatar

Replace Covid with seasonal "flu" in your list of questions. People would have just moved along with their lives. Fauci's presentation in 2019 revealed what had been going on for years- a well laid plan that required millions in advertising and algorithms to manipulate conversations... and of course, an effective campaign of narcissistic compassion (ex/behave -you're a terrible person if you don't).

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

It was just like a seasonal flu - but it was a bad flu that was affecting a lot of people. I'm not saying everyone who was sick in December 2019 or January 2020 really had Covid, but I think some people (maybe 10 to 30 percent) who were sick with these symptoms probably did have "early Covid."

IMO There were more "sick" people in these months than prior flu seasons. The flu season of 2017-2018 is said to have been the worst in 40 years and this no doubt was a very bad flu season. However, the vast majority of those flu cases happened over four or five weeks of January 2018. The flu season of 2019-2020 spiked early in November 2019 and cases were elevated (far above the historic "baseline" for ILI) for at least 23 consecutive weeks, which is a record.

Fauci also commented on how bad this flu season was shaping up to be early in this flu season. I've found tons of articles and ILI reports that make this clear.

But nobody looks at the much larger number of Americans who had "Covid symptoms" ... before official Covid.

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Thorsten's avatar

More questions: What caused the Greenspring outbreak in June/July 2019? Was it just the common cold as they say now? If so, why were they "baffled" at that time? What happened to the samples from that outbreak that were tested at the CDC? Were they destroyed or "misplaced" or archived for further analysis? If the latter, were they later tested for SARS-2? If no, why not, and if yes, what were the results?

Is it possible that SARS-2 was circulating at the Wuhan Military Games? If yes, how did The Virus get there? Is it possible that The Virus was "imported" to the Wuhan Military Games and started to spread from there?

Is the molecular clock method a reliable approach to estimate the date of the most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of The Virus? If yes, what conclusions can be drawn from this document https://doi.org/10.3390/v13091790 that estimates the MRCA to August 2019 or even March 2019?

And what ever happened to SARS-1? (Answer: That's a whole new can of worms, or more like a barrel of worms, that I won't even dare to open right now.)

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

All of these are great questions ... and All seem to be unanswered.

... Most of the important questions aren't even asked ... at least by the people who "matter."

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Owain Glyndŵr's avatar

Last question/paragraph - "Why is a credible or real investigation into the origins of virus spread off-limits to all public health officials and all members of the “watchdog” mainstream press?"

At least one reason - top tier (ie: Federal) public health (using the term loosely) agencies and probably officials (Fauci comes to mind) have been captured, bought out by Pharma. Downstream PH agencies, are 'incentivized' by Federal dollars as well as political ideologies. The mainstream media, academia, medical...have all sold their souls as well to Pharma bucks.

The rot has also spread to the uniparty. Sure, there are some House committees 'looking' into some aspects. But, does anyone really think anything substantial or actionable (like charges brought, trials...) will be an end result? I don't. Fauci, Walensky, Birx etc will fade off into taxpayer funded pensions, claiming they did their best. Bourla already has his billions, so what if Pfizer goes feet up. Gates and others...will continue their 'charitable' efforts unhindered.

Other reasons - for most of on this channel, I suspect, they suspect many more. The US military and intell communities. International 'coordination' - ie: Five Eyes, Eleven Eyes...WEF/ UN...

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Owain Glyndŵr's avatar

Sorry, I misspoke. I should have correctly said, Shitweasel Fauci, twice.

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Miriam Tiorano-Cathcart's avatar

It was recently confirmed the virus was shipped from Wuhan to a lab in Montana 2018.

This is very eyebrow raising.

I thought CDC could prove early spread per the Navy sailors on ship from California in September 2019.

Maybe start there.

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The Watchman's avatar

Great questions Bill. Linking today @https://nothingnewunderthesun2016.com/

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

Besides "antibody evidence," I've placed great weight on the fact incidences of people with ILIs were much greater in the "flu season" of 2019-2020 (before official Covid allegedly began to spread in America ... in February 2020).

Put it this way: If I had done my due diligence and found out that ILI cases were normal or less than previous flu seasons, I'd be far less inclined to believe that "early spread" had occurred. However, I've saved scores of articles and ILI weekly "surveillance" reports that show that ILI was elevated and "severe" and "widespread" in at least 44 U.S. states (the highest levels of ILI).

So this "finding" supports my hypothesis that something else might be going on. I actually didn't even need to do this copious research, as I REMEMBER how many people in my town and state were sick in December 2019 and January 2020. Myself and my two children were in this group.

Again, how can anyone "prove" every one of these millions of sick people didn't have Covid?

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Joseph L. Wiess's avatar

The PCR tests are inaccurate. Case in point, when I came down with whatever this was/is/is proported to be, the PCR test said I was negative. When I went to my Personal Physician, he drew blood and tested it the old-fashioned way.

Instead of trying to push the vax, he suggested several alternative treatments, such as vitamin C, Zinc, Kafir Milk, etc.

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Fred Jewett's avatar

I have a story that illustrates the failings of the PCR test. A nephew to a friend of my wife belonged to a band and they crossed into Michigan to play a gig. On the way back the nephew was the only one to test positive for Covid (with PCR test). Rather than have to tell 300 people the were exposed to Covid he opted to take a $300.00 Covid test that showed him not infected. He was relieved!!

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Owain Glyndŵr's avatar

Sounds like you have a good doc...few and far between these days.

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Jessica Hockett's avatar

To what problem(s) was the Operation known as COVID-19 a solution?

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

Hey, you are using the Socratic Method! Off the top of my head, it solved the problem that the patents of the lucrative flu vaccines might expire ... it created the justification for the amazing new mRNA "vaccines" for a new novel virus and for flu viruses, RSV, shingles, pneumonia, cancer, etc.

It got us closer to "vaccine passports" and digital social credit scores ... and digital currency and more digital control is the REAL goal of our rulers behind the curtains. In my opinion, banning most cash transactions is our shadow rulers' greatest goal as this will allow them to more easily confiscate more of "our" money in the future. And they HAVE to confiscate more of our money in the future (the Magic Printing Press isn't producing enough by itself).

It gave us the solution of "mail-in ballots" (one of many NPIs to fight deadly viruses) and this made it easier for the Powers that Be to rig elections in key swing states - and ensure "their" politicians (like "Joe Biden") are more likely to be elected in the future.

It expanded the power of all bureaucratic agencies and global organizations such as the WHO and U.N. and WEF - and all these organizations have to have much more power to facilitate other parts of their unfinished agendas (including fighting Climate Change).

Or: There was really no "solution" they were trying to create. A novel virus simply escaped, probably by accident, and they didn't want the public to know they were making dangerous viruses in a lab.

Never letting a good crisis go to waste, they decided to plant the idea that the virus definitely escaped or originated from China (and thus America had nothing to do with this).

Then, as things usually happen, everything started to go sideways and one ruse required another ruse or another cover story.

Bottom line: A lot of people got even richer and all the key organizations and companies obtained even more power ... so what wasn't to like?

The people most responsible were feted as heroes and people in "public health" never had more power.

Plus, they had been predicting a Big One forever - This shows they were prescient and we should keep listening to them.

Or ... none of the above. Who knows for sure? Nobody who knows is talking.

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Owain Glyndŵr's avatar

I'd go with all before the first 'Or:'...

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GLK's avatar

Nationalism is the problem. The concept that every nation and by extension it’s people are sovereign. Covid-19 fixed that.

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

Great and provocative point, GLK. That's why Dr. Meryl Nass is fighting so hard to expose this new WHO treaty. She sees what they are really trying to accomplish with this treaty.

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Owain Glyndŵr's avatar

Let's hope that Joey isn't able to ratify said treaty before he is replaced by the next selectee and stumbles off into the sunset (pardoning his family on the way out of course).

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GLK's avatar

The WHO “treaty” is a big step towards normalizing globalization. Gets citizens of the world used to the idea that unelected bureaucrats from afar have the right to dictate how they live their lives. Always for The Greater Good.

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Owain Glyndŵr's avatar

Perhaps that's changing a bit...recent events in Argentina, Netherlands, Ireland, Louisiana. Not sure the indoctrinated, hypnotized left are awakening, although there is hope they are fragmenting...but perhaps, enough 'average' people with common sense are coming to their senses and demanding change.

Too, I've commented before...the US needs to withdraw from and completely defund US involvement in the UN/WHO, including US real-estate, along with taking a critical look at any other 'international' organizations the US might be engaged with.

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Wendy Leonard's avatar

and NZ a little more, we kicked out the socialist style govt, new coalition govt sworn in today. Removing Mandates and new inquiry into c19 and how it all went down. also revoking many laws brought in by last govt

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Owain Glyndŵr's avatar

Mea culpa...I was trying to remember and failed. Of course NZ! And your neighbor.

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