I cut this section for space reasons - this also develops reasons why I think the virus was, in fact, "contagious."
If one believes (like I do) that many people who were sick with Covid symptoms actually had Covid, one must believe this virus has always been very contagious.
I reached this conclusion because I’ve read probably thousands of anecdotes from readers who came to believe they had “early” Covid. (I’ve saved probably 500 such anecdotes). Several common features emerge from reading or saving so many of these testimonials:
* This illness was different in key respects from other flu-type illnesses or “bugs.”
* The symptoms were often quite serious and lasted several days to several weeks (or months). While many people with Covid have mild or even asymptomatic symptoms, many report that this was one of the harshest illnesses they’d ever endured.
* The person reporting his or her symptoms reports that others in his or her family (or workplace or school) also became sick at the same time.
* Many people report they tested negative for influenza (or never went to a doctor to get a flu test).
* Many people report they never got a PCR-confirmed case of Covid in the ensuing year or years after the were sick, which suggests they may have acquired natural immunity (at least to the original strain of the virus … if this was the “original” strain).
Per my research, the original strains of any virus are typically the most virulent and subsequent mutations are less lethal or cause milder symptoms. Under this theory, it would seem that the novel coronavirus mutated to a more deadly or serious form many months after it had begun to circulate, which would be atypical for viruses.
Tens of millions of Americans were “sick” with some virus in this flu season, more people than had been sick in perhaps any flu season of the past 10 or 20 years. (It should be noted that the revised CDC ILI estimates dispute this conclusion, but numerous contemporary reports - including from ILI data compiled by state and national health agencies - support this conclusion).
For these reasons and from details culled from a library of anecdotes, I believe millions of people had symptomatic cases of Covid before the WHO declared a global pandemic. Many of these cases were NOT “mild” and the r-naught number was not below 1.5.
It seems to me that for one to believe the theory that the virus suddenly mutated into a more virulent form, one would have to dismiss all the claims of the millions of people who believe they had this virus months earlier.
If one does believe at least some percentage of these correspondents had Covid and their own conclusions are correct, then the virus was contagious and wasn’t mild or less virulent.
Since these possible cases were reported across the USA (and many other countries), logic says the virus would have been spreading in thousands of communities.
I’ll conclude with this contrarian observation: The virus was noted. Scores of schools in dozens of states across the country were closed. Hospitals and doctors’ offices were seeing more ILI patients and administering more flu tests. ILI reports from 45 states were showing that ILI was “widespread” and “severe.” Journalists were writing articles on this early and bad “flu season.”
However, no expert knew or confirmed that some of this increase in “sick” people might be caused by a novel coronavirus.
My belief is that at least a few key officials must have known this, and among the army of public health experts in our country, more should have suspected this possibility.
I’d also add that the same experts tell us we should ignore ALL of the millions of people who think they have been harmed by the Covid vaccine. Every person reporting “anecdotes” to this effect are wrong as well.
We have all been conditioned to trust the experts. My research and journalism tells me we should do the opposite.
I say it was released in the Ukraine in a US funded biolab in summer 2019. It was adapted to be rereleased in China in winter when it didn’t have the desired impact.
It more than likely leaked out of a lab here in America. I remember the 'mysterious pneumonia' deaths in the summer of 2019 because I vape. The pneumonia cases/deaths were blamed on 'illicit vaping liquids'. Google EVALI - that's the acronym they came up with. There were hearings about it on CSPAN, and HHS came fairly close to banning all nicotine vaping liquids.
I now have a research partner who is interested in the Vaping theory as well. Strange events at Ft. Detrick in Maryland in the summer of 2019 as well. I'm neutral on what might or could have happened but think all possibilities should be thoroughly investigated ... which is of course not happening. It's the Wuhan live market theory or nothing.
Oh, cool. Well I'm very interested in what else you and your partner dig up. I've watched YouTube instead of TV for over a decade now. One of the many things I watched early on in the pandemic was a video shared by TLAvagabond regarding EVALI theory. I don't know how hard it would be to find the video, but a (I assume pro China) youtuber living in China named Nathan Rich along with TLAvagabond were the first I remember discussing this theory. Maybe you or your partner have already seen it. Nathan did a 1-2 hour long video with all of his evidence regarding EVALI 'outbreak' at the same time as 'pneumonia outbreaks/deaths' in nursing homes mostly in NC, VA, MD and that area along with how common it has been for our labs to have lax safety standards and common leaks. Considering all of the the summer surges only in the southernmost states, it seems entirely plausible to me that the virus could have started here in the summer and then petered out before re-emerging everywhere all at once. The one thing that has been consistent over the past 15 years that I've been paying attention is that corporate media lies to us about everything. The bias isn't the problem, it's the blatant lying from both political sides.
These are all great points or theories. Maybe the virus was spreading in some places in the summer of 2019 and then really ramped up in the late fall and winter (which is what virus actually do). Above you reference, the huge spike of deaths in NYC - which has also never made sense to me. How could a respiratory virus suddenly explode ... in April? It was just a gentle, no-big-deal virus in December-February?
Within months of flatten the curve I stopped trusting our health and virus officials. I didn't need any of the anti expert experts to help with that. They later only confirmed my beliefs. Too good to be true is never true.
Keep digging, when you and others get to the bottom of the when and where, all of us US taxpayers can start paying reparations to the rest of the world.
Oh great! More of our tax money "appropriated" for something that will never see the light of day and will make it back to the pockets of republicans and democrats that are stealing it to begin with. Like the contracts with demo company for Ukraine.
The simple fact is that it took exactly one international flight from China for this to show up on our shores. The idea that it took weeks or months is nuts -- the virus was already everywhere we tested for it.
If I recall correctly, the initial sample from the Washington case (or one of the first) used OLD samples from December! But of course they can't admit this because it shows that the virus was here all winter 2019 and we didn't even notice while we were doing all the stuff they told us was unsafe in 2020/2021.
Exactly. If the virus is contagious, it's going to spread. And did. Whether "spread" started in China or the U.S. or somewhere else should still be an open question. It is just "assumed" it started in China. Maybe it did, but maybe it didn't. I know this, the virus sleuths will NEVER be able to tell us the real earliest cases - or perhaps case zero - if they don't even investigate people who obviously had it in the fall of 2019 (or even earlier). The case "timeline" or "chronology" has been FUBAR all along. And that's where real investigators are supposed to start their investigations.
Many things from the Fall 2019 to Spring 2020 will just be forever seared into my brain, and yes - the timeline was always FUBAR. I agree with you that whether this started in China or somewhere else is still an open question.
The biggest concern for me since I recognized the problem is that the virus was widespread and circulating everywhere in the US in Feb and March, but deaths didn't start occurring until the 1st week of April. We've never topped those death tolls which occurred in New York - 123% excess death for the week ending April 11 2020 for the state and 636% excess for NYC. Viruses don't do that.
FWIW, here are some things I remember with some links regarding your topic, early spread and detection.
1) Gain of Function moratorium started in 2014 and ended in 2017. One thing that was always glossed over and rarely presented to the American people was the amount of bat coronavirus research being done in American universities and bio-warfare research centers both before, during and after the moratorium. UNC Chapel Hill was granted an exception to the moratorium for the research conducted by Dr. Baric in 2014-5 at their BSL-3 lab. BSL-3 has lower safety standards than the BSL-4 lab in Wuhan.
2) I personally believe that the CDC detected the pneumonia causing SARS-COV2 virus in the summer of 2019 and blamed it on illicit vaping liquids. The peak of the 'outbreak' was in Sept 2019. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaping-associated_pulmonary_injury
3) I've always thought that more information on early spread could have been seen from the Helen Chu Seattle Flu study, but now I'm not so sure. I read an article in Apr/May 2020 about the study - thousands of samples collected over months for a flu surveillance study in Seattle but were not allowed to be tested for COVID. I had never read updates on this story until today. Apparently, at least some if not all of the samples were allowed to be tested for covid, but there seems to be conflicting information on when the first detected covid case sample was taken from a patient/person. This article says in the 6th paragraph "We started testing banked samples for research on 24 February using a robust assay developed internally. Three days later, we discovered our first positive result for SARS-CoV-2: a Seattle-area teenager without any epidemiological risk factors." https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01587-0
But then there's this article about the same Seattle Flu study saying in the 4th paragraph "The first Covid-19 case detected through the Seattle Flu Study, in a specimen collected on February 24, 2020, was the first documented U.S. case of community transmission at the time." https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2008646
Reading this 2nd article alone, I would assume that the 1st positive covid sample was collected from the sick teenager on Feb 24th. But, when I read the 2 articles together, it seems that the 1st positive sample was collected from a sample storage bank on Feb 24 and not from the teenager's nose. Which one is it? I don't know. I keep in mind that all of this research in Washington state is heavily funded by Bill Gates and Big Pharma as this 3rd related article indicates. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.02.20051417v1
Thanks for these and please keep them coming. I've also read a good bit on that Seattle Flu study and have the same conclusion I think you have - University of Washington/Gates - "Be very skeptical of what follows." A man named Trevor Bedford affiliated with that flu study and the U of W is one of the main experts who has been used to dismiss "early spread" claims. I swear at one time he was saying things that made me think it agreed with early spread and now he's the biggest mouthpiece speaking against it.
The Seattle Times actually published several stories in May 2020 about two people who had antibody-confirmed cases and both were sick in December. Other stories talked about how local officials had scores of other "possible" early cases but they didn't have the time or resources to investigate those!
Those two cases - one was a retired nurse who lived in a rural area of Washington - are the only two cases I've found where some health officials at least looked into their possible cases. But even then they wouldn't "confirm" these cases. They just said they were "likely" or "possible" cases. The bottom line is officials can't "confirm" any early cases - because if they did ... and this virus is as contagious as we all know it is .... that would be it for the "late spread" theory they actually promulgate.
BTW, the 39 positive cases in earliest tranche of the belated "Red Cross" antibody study came from Washington, California and Oregon. Those people gave blood Dec. 13-16, 2019 but they would have been infected in November or earlier. So there's plenty of people in Washington who have antibody evidence of "early" infection.
I guess you're talking about the recent reports showing the DoD seemed to have taken over virus research years earlier. I think that's very suspicious and odd, if true. The marriage of the Military Industrial Complex and the Government Science Complex could only end in a bad way IMO.
Great Work! Over Here, I am still very puzzled why some people fell extremely ill, while others had not so much as a sniffle. (I am in the latter category).
That is interesting - about half the people don't get a sniffle or barely a sniffle, but plenty of people get very sick. It's the ones who did get sick that confirmed this virus was spreading - and that was a lot of people. I think a lot more people got the virus than get the flu because the flu doesn't have millions of "asymptomatic" or mild cases. If you get the flu, you are sick.
Bill, I know someone who went down like a rock in Dec. 2019 after a trip. Was fine then became very ill; hospitalized then died. No one had heard of covid then. But after the family (includes a nurse) is pretty sure it was Covid when they learned about symptoms etc.
I am so confused I don't even know what to think any more. Was this a lab created virus that was let loose on the military 'games' in Wuhan? Was it also maybe released simultaneously in Italy and NYC and Seattle? How did so much of Africa escape? DId they not have anyone participating in the Wuhan military games? Is the purpose of the Covid injections to infect the rest of us who were not sickened by the original virus? AND how in the world did a couple from a small town in Alabama catch this nasty government-sponsored sickness??
So many unanswered questions ... that will obviously remain unanswered as there is no real investigation trying to find the answers. As others have opined, it's all political science.
Are you sure "the novel coronavirus is very contagious"? As opposed to say biotrailing? It seems to be an enterovirus. (Perhaps they spray sewage?) I've had at least Wuhan strain and Omicron, but was around no one infected. So what was the point of the contact tracing?
I'm convinced it was/is contagious. I added a few more reasons why I think this in an above Reader Comment. Has to do with all the testimonials I've read and the very bad ILI season of 2019-2020.
Here's an email I received from subscriber Marna Barnett of Troy. Mrs. Barnett was actually my last science teacher and has long been one of my few Facebook supporters.
She was still teaching in 2019-2020 and added this anecdote:
"I still maintain that in fall of 2019 I had a number of students (10-20 is a good guess) that were sick for a few days with a "respiratory virus" that medical people could not name. Not strep, not mono, not flu but some unidentifiable respiratory sickness. None of them required hospitalization that I am aware of and did return to classes and complete the semester. I do believe this was covid and well before spring of 2020.
"Keep doing your research and telling those who will listen what you are finding. Maybe one day, the truth will be told, but I will not hold my breath."
I'm interested in a couple of anecdotal pieces of evidence from Wuhan.
1) Apparently, a lot of athletes and visitors to the World Military Games in October 2019 (in Wuhan) got sick from "something."
2) Some of these athletes have reported that when they jogged or strolled through the city, it seemed strangely quiet. There weren't nearly as many people moving around as they would have thought.
These two bits of information make me think it's possible the virus was already spreading in this city in September and early October. That's why so many visitors would have presumably gotten sick.
3) There's satellite images that show many local hospital parking lots in Wuhan in September 2019. These parking lots have far more vehicles than the same time from previous years. Why would the hospital parking lots be over-flowing ... in September?
That theory has been posited by a few people. Could a virus spread that rapidly through this group of athletes and coaches if someone brought it to the games? I don't know. I guess it could. It seems more likely it was already there and circulating but I'm open to all possibilities. I'd be a good investigator or detective - I don't automatically rule out things that could be possible or important.
The only proof that anyone has had covid lies with the testing which is not valid. I know people who were ill with a nasty virus at the back end of 2019 and we called it flu. If we had continued to do that then all this mess would have been avoided. Stop validating the existence of a virus which has never been proven to exist. We were scammed.
Funny that scientist and medical authorities say the coronavirus is very contagious it took me 32 months before I got a mild case, and I was out delivering food in 8 to 10 restaurants per day 5 days a week from January 2020 until infected in August 2022.
And I was in the hospital for several days twice during that period and the emergency room 3 times for different issues.
I don't know what hospitals you might consider going to that would force you take a COVID test, I just say no when asked, I never had bogus results in the 3 PCR and 1 blood test, and of course Advanced Health Care Directive given the hospital at the time of admission specifically forbids them to administer remdesivir under any circumstances, and only allows them to use alternative approved medical procedures, or the use of a ventilator.
Extract: of my AHCD, this keeps in line from asking stupid COVID question too:
(b) I have educated myself on the SARS-COV2/COVID19 pandemic and fully aware that the United States government protocols are life threatening and that medical establishment are knowingly causing harm based on those government protocols. Therefore, I direct this treatment and protocols regarding SARS-COV2/COVID19 or Variants thereof:
(1) If, I’m diagnosed with SARS-COV2/COVID19, a variant or afflicted with an ailment derived thereof, either determined through testing positive or am determined to be presumptively positive as defined by my specific symptoms, I intentionally and specifically reject the use of Remdesivir, Molnupiravir, Paxlovid, or any EUA or permanent approved mRNA/DNA genetic cell therapies, vaccines, injections, medications, treatments, blood products or transfusions that test positive for the SARS-COV2/COVID 19 or antibodies, or the use of a ventilator as a treatment option or any other treatment method that is being utilized that is resulting in a high injury or death rate as outlined by the best available raw data; not meaningless adjust rate to ratio bias by any medical or scientific authority.
(2) If, treatment is necessary because I have received the SARS-COV2/COVID19 or any subsequent variant vaccine, I hereby revoke traditional treatment and direct my agent to seek alternative treatment by professionals treating patients and side effects caused by the SARS-COV2/covid19 vaccine.
(3) I, do not consent to being treated as stated in paragraph b. (1), while I’m admitted to any medical or psychiatric facility. If, the facility does not allow for the use of any alternative medical treatments, I direct my agent to have me discharged and placed in alternative care opposed to being treated as stated in paragraph b. (1). I specifically direct my primary physician or spokesman to seek “all” alternative treatments, to include those like Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine, Zinc, Doxycycline, Azithromycin, Vitamin D3, Vitamin C, Aspirin, Oxygen, etc.
(4) In, the event that new medication or treatment options for SARS-COV2/COVID19 become available, except new as stated in paragraph b. (1), I direct my designated Medical Power of Attorney in Part 1, or surrogate with my primary physician to conduct an independent evaluation to determine if the likely risks, side effects, and burdens would outweigh the expected benefits prior to consenting to the administration.
(5) If, I am discharged from any medical or psychiatric facility, I acknowledge that all treatments may be withheld or removed except at all times those treatments necessary for the alleviation of pain or discomfort, even if it hastens my death.
(2.2) If, a medical professional disregard my wishes and refuses to cooperate, I specifically request that a criminal referral be made for assault on my person, false imprisonment and negligent homicide if I should pass away.
PCR doesn't determine infection, (maybe like 25 cycle) and I have personal experience with all of things you mention being disregarded. In fact, one was married to a nirse who was not allowed to see him, view records or get him moved. He almost died, well almost got murdered.
Someone needs to get an attorney I guess, because I know people with AHCD and when asked to be released the hospital tripped over themselves to release him.
It's illegal, in fact, it's kid napping for any hospital to hold you against your will or the person listed in your medical power of attorney which I didn't list because of the names, and AHCD not release you.
Without those, and if you're incompasitated, they don't have to release, you fact it's against the law for them to release you, they can be held liable if they do.
I have no doubt ECMO saved Tim. His wife thinks that. She said they were fortunate that hospital did have ECMO, when most in Alabama do not. She actually never left the hospital the entire time he was in the hospital. Remember, this was before quarantines ... so she got to see what a severe Covid patient goes through. It was gruesome, she said. That's another reason Tim's story should have been big news. There was a witness to what he experienced. She also predicted many Covid patients would die from the vents. She said Tim had competent people adjusting his vent, but she knew that wouldn't be the case at many hospitals. She was kind of prescient in many of her predictions. It's a shame no MSM reporters were interested in her story.
Better late than never! And when you start going down the rabbit hole of the pope being the false prophet (very likely) and macron, etc. His coming is getting closer. I pray for him to come back every day. Unfortunately we have more suffering as he gives people free will to do good...or evil.
I cut this section for space reasons - this also develops reasons why I think the virus was, in fact, "contagious."
If one believes (like I do) that many people who were sick with Covid symptoms actually had Covid, one must believe this virus has always been very contagious.
I reached this conclusion because I’ve read probably thousands of anecdotes from readers who came to believe they had “early” Covid. (I’ve saved probably 500 such anecdotes). Several common features emerge from reading or saving so many of these testimonials:
* This illness was different in key respects from other flu-type illnesses or “bugs.”
* The symptoms were often quite serious and lasted several days to several weeks (or months). While many people with Covid have mild or even asymptomatic symptoms, many report that this was one of the harshest illnesses they’d ever endured.
* The person reporting his or her symptoms reports that others in his or her family (or workplace or school) also became sick at the same time.
* Many people report they tested negative for influenza (or never went to a doctor to get a flu test).
* Many people report they never got a PCR-confirmed case of Covid in the ensuing year or years after the were sick, which suggests they may have acquired natural immunity (at least to the original strain of the virus … if this was the “original” strain).
Per my research, the original strains of any virus are typically the most virulent and subsequent mutations are less lethal or cause milder symptoms. Under this theory, it would seem that the novel coronavirus mutated to a more deadly or serious form many months after it had begun to circulate, which would be atypical for viruses.
Tens of millions of Americans were “sick” with some virus in this flu season, more people than had been sick in perhaps any flu season of the past 10 or 20 years. (It should be noted that the revised CDC ILI estimates dispute this conclusion, but numerous contemporary reports - including from ILI data compiled by state and national health agencies - support this conclusion).
For these reasons and from details culled from a library of anecdotes, I believe millions of people had symptomatic cases of Covid before the WHO declared a global pandemic. Many of these cases were NOT “mild” and the r-naught number was not below 1.5.
It seems to me that for one to believe the theory that the virus suddenly mutated into a more virulent form, one would have to dismiss all the claims of the millions of people who believe they had this virus months earlier.
If one does believe at least some percentage of these correspondents had Covid and their own conclusions are correct, then the virus was contagious and wasn’t mild or less virulent.
Since these possible cases were reported across the USA (and many other countries), logic says the virus would have been spreading in thousands of communities.
I’ll conclude with this contrarian observation: The virus was noted. Scores of schools in dozens of states across the country were closed. Hospitals and doctors’ offices were seeing more ILI patients and administering more flu tests. ILI reports from 45 states were showing that ILI was “widespread” and “severe.” Journalists were writing articles on this early and bad “flu season.”
However, no expert knew or confirmed that some of this increase in “sick” people might be caused by a novel coronavirus.
My belief is that at least a few key officials must have known this, and among the army of public health experts in our country, more should have suspected this possibility.
I’d also add that the same experts tell us we should ignore ALL of the millions of people who think they have been harmed by the Covid vaccine. Every person reporting “anecdotes” to this effect are wrong as well.
We have all been conditioned to trust the experts. My research and journalism tells me we should do the opposite.
I say it was released in the Ukraine in a US funded biolab in summer 2019. It was adapted to be rereleased in China in winter when it didn’t have the desired impact.
It more than likely leaked out of a lab here in America. I remember the 'mysterious pneumonia' deaths in the summer of 2019 because I vape. The pneumonia cases/deaths were blamed on 'illicit vaping liquids'. Google EVALI - that's the acronym they came up with. There were hearings about it on CSPAN, and HHS came fairly close to banning all nicotine vaping liquids.
I now have a research partner who is interested in the Vaping theory as well. Strange events at Ft. Detrick in Maryland in the summer of 2019 as well. I'm neutral on what might or could have happened but think all possibilities should be thoroughly investigated ... which is of course not happening. It's the Wuhan live market theory or nothing.
Oh, cool. Well I'm very interested in what else you and your partner dig up. I've watched YouTube instead of TV for over a decade now. One of the many things I watched early on in the pandemic was a video shared by TLAvagabond regarding EVALI theory. I don't know how hard it would be to find the video, but a (I assume pro China) youtuber living in China named Nathan Rich along with TLAvagabond were the first I remember discussing this theory. Maybe you or your partner have already seen it. Nathan did a 1-2 hour long video with all of his evidence regarding EVALI 'outbreak' at the same time as 'pneumonia outbreaks/deaths' in nursing homes mostly in NC, VA, MD and that area along with how common it has been for our labs to have lax safety standards and common leaks. Considering all of the the summer surges only in the southernmost states, it seems entirely plausible to me that the virus could have started here in the summer and then petered out before re-emerging everywhere all at once. The one thing that has been consistent over the past 15 years that I've been paying attention is that corporate media lies to us about everything. The bias isn't the problem, it's the blatant lying from both political sides.
These are all great points or theories. Maybe the virus was spreading in some places in the summer of 2019 and then really ramped up in the late fall and winter (which is what virus actually do). Above you reference, the huge spike of deaths in NYC - which has also never made sense to me. How could a respiratory virus suddenly explode ... in April? It was just a gentle, no-big-deal virus in December-February?
Omg Lisa I totally forgot about that.
I agree w/ summer 2019
Within months of flatten the curve I stopped trusting our health and virus officials. I didn't need any of the anti expert experts to help with that. They later only confirmed my beliefs. Too good to be true is never true.
Keep digging, when you and others get to the bottom of the when and where, all of us US taxpayers can start paying reparations to the rest of the world.
I'm afraid reparations might be the end result of a "real" investigation - which is one of the main reasons such an investigation cannot occur.
Oh great! More of our tax money "appropriated" for something that will never see the light of day and will make it back to the pockets of republicans and democrats that are stealing it to begin with. Like the contracts with demo company for Ukraine.
The simple fact is that it took exactly one international flight from China for this to show up on our shores. The idea that it took weeks or months is nuts -- the virus was already everywhere we tested for it.
If I recall correctly, the initial sample from the Washington case (or one of the first) used OLD samples from December! But of course they can't admit this because it shows that the virus was here all winter 2019 and we didn't even notice while we were doing all the stuff they told us was unsafe in 2020/2021.
Exactly. If the virus is contagious, it's going to spread. And did. Whether "spread" started in China or the U.S. or somewhere else should still be an open question. It is just "assumed" it started in China. Maybe it did, but maybe it didn't. I know this, the virus sleuths will NEVER be able to tell us the real earliest cases - or perhaps case zero - if they don't even investigate people who obviously had it in the fall of 2019 (or even earlier). The case "timeline" or "chronology" has been FUBAR all along. And that's where real investigators are supposed to start their investigations.
Many things from the Fall 2019 to Spring 2020 will just be forever seared into my brain, and yes - the timeline was always FUBAR. I agree with you that whether this started in China or somewhere else is still an open question.
The biggest concern for me since I recognized the problem is that the virus was widespread and circulating everywhere in the US in Feb and March, but deaths didn't start occurring until the 1st week of April. We've never topped those death tolls which occurred in New York - 123% excess death for the week ending April 11 2020 for the state and 636% excess for NYC. Viruses don't do that.
FWIW, here are some things I remember with some links regarding your topic, early spread and detection.
1) Gain of Function moratorium started in 2014 and ended in 2017. One thing that was always glossed over and rarely presented to the American people was the amount of bat coronavirus research being done in American universities and bio-warfare research centers both before, during and after the moratorium. UNC Chapel Hill was granted an exception to the moratorium for the research conducted by Dr. Baric in 2014-5 at their BSL-3 lab. BSL-3 has lower safety standards than the BSL-4 lab in Wuhan.
2) I personally believe that the CDC detected the pneumonia causing SARS-COV2 virus in the summer of 2019 and blamed it on illicit vaping liquids. The peak of the 'outbreak' was in Sept 2019. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaping-associated_pulmonary_injury
3) I've always thought that more information on early spread could have been seen from the Helen Chu Seattle Flu study, but now I'm not so sure. I read an article in Apr/May 2020 about the study - thousands of samples collected over months for a flu surveillance study in Seattle but were not allowed to be tested for COVID. I had never read updates on this story until today. Apparently, at least some if not all of the samples were allowed to be tested for covid, but there seems to be conflicting information on when the first detected covid case sample was taken from a patient/person. This article says in the 6th paragraph "We started testing banked samples for research on 24 February using a robust assay developed internally. Three days later, we discovered our first positive result for SARS-CoV-2: a Seattle-area teenager without any epidemiological risk factors." https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01587-0
But then there's this article about the same Seattle Flu study saying in the 4th paragraph "The first Covid-19 case detected through the Seattle Flu Study, in a specimen collected on February 24, 2020, was the first documented U.S. case of community transmission at the time." https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2008646
Reading this 2nd article alone, I would assume that the 1st positive covid sample was collected from the sick teenager on Feb 24th. But, when I read the 2 articles together, it seems that the 1st positive sample was collected from a sample storage bank on Feb 24 and not from the teenager's nose. Which one is it? I don't know. I keep in mind that all of this research in Washington state is heavily funded by Bill Gates and Big Pharma as this 3rd related article indicates. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.02.20051417v1
4) And then I remember anxiously awaiting the 1st seroprevalence testing study in America to determine exactly how widespread the virus was - 3-4% in Santa Clara Co, CA as of April 3-4 2020. At the same time, seroprevalance was 10-15% in places in Italy and Germany. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1.full.pdf?utm_source=Uncommon+Knowledge&utm_campaign=ca61dd0fed-Uncommon_Knowledge_Mac_Donald_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_610ce6eca4-ca61dd0fed-
Thanks for these and please keep them coming. I've also read a good bit on that Seattle Flu study and have the same conclusion I think you have - University of Washington/Gates - "Be very skeptical of what follows." A man named Trevor Bedford affiliated with that flu study and the U of W is one of the main experts who has been used to dismiss "early spread" claims. I swear at one time he was saying things that made me think it agreed with early spread and now he's the biggest mouthpiece speaking against it.
The Seattle Times actually published several stories in May 2020 about two people who had antibody-confirmed cases and both were sick in December. Other stories talked about how local officials had scores of other "possible" early cases but they didn't have the time or resources to investigate those!
Those two cases - one was a retired nurse who lived in a rural area of Washington - are the only two cases I've found where some health officials at least looked into their possible cases. But even then they wouldn't "confirm" these cases. They just said they were "likely" or "possible" cases. The bottom line is officials can't "confirm" any early cases - because if they did ... and this virus is as contagious as we all know it is .... that would be it for the "late spread" theory they actually promulgate.
BTW, the 39 positive cases in earliest tranche of the belated "Red Cross" antibody study came from Washington, California and Oregon. Those people gave blood Dec. 13-16, 2019 but they would have been infected in November or earlier. So there's plenty of people in Washington who have antibody evidence of "early" infection.
What do you thinjk about the papertrail(s) to the DOD?(Years back)
I guess you're talking about the recent reports showing the DoD seemed to have taken over virus research years earlier. I think that's very suspicious and odd, if true. The marriage of the Military Industrial Complex and the Government Science Complex could only end in a bad way IMO.
They're also manufacturing the jabs through contracted companies. Not the rx companies.
Isn’t that bad way where we are after 3 years of hell though?
Great Work! Over Here, I am still very puzzled why some people fell extremely ill, while others had not so much as a sniffle. (I am in the latter category).
That is interesting - about half the people don't get a sniffle or barely a sniffle, but plenty of people get very sick. It's the ones who did get sick that confirmed this virus was spreading - and that was a lot of people. I think a lot more people got the virus than get the flu because the flu doesn't have millions of "asymptomatic" or mild cases. If you get the flu, you are sick.
Bill, I know someone who went down like a rock in Dec. 2019 after a trip. Was fine then became very ill; hospitalized then died. No one had heard of covid then. But after the family (includes a nurse) is pretty sure it was Covid when they learned about symptoms etc.
Very possible. If you get more info or the family is willing to talk about why they think this was Covid, please let me know.
I am so confused I don't even know what to think any more. Was this a lab created virus that was let loose on the military 'games' in Wuhan? Was it also maybe released simultaneously in Italy and NYC and Seattle? How did so much of Africa escape? DId they not have anyone participating in the Wuhan military games? Is the purpose of the Covid injections to infect the rest of us who were not sickened by the original virus? AND how in the world did a couple from a small town in Alabama catch this nasty government-sponsored sickness??
So many unanswered questions ... that will obviously remain unanswered as there is no real investigation trying to find the answers. As others have opined, it's all political science.
Are you sure "the novel coronavirus is very contagious"? As opposed to say biotrailing? It seems to be an enterovirus. (Perhaps they spray sewage?) I've had at least Wuhan strain and Omicron, but was around no one infected. So what was the point of the contact tracing?
I'm convinced it was/is contagious. I added a few more reasons why I think this in an above Reader Comment. Has to do with all the testimonials I've read and the very bad ILI season of 2019-2020.
Here's an email I received from subscriber Marna Barnett of Troy. Mrs. Barnett was actually my last science teacher and has long been one of my few Facebook supporters.
She was still teaching in 2019-2020 and added this anecdote:
"I still maintain that in fall of 2019 I had a number of students (10-20 is a good guess) that were sick for a few days with a "respiratory virus" that medical people could not name. Not strep, not mono, not flu but some unidentifiable respiratory sickness. None of them required hospitalization that I am aware of and did return to classes and complete the semester. I do believe this was covid and well before spring of 2020.
"Keep doing your research and telling those who will listen what you are finding. Maybe one day, the truth will be told, but I will not hold my breath."
I’m beginning to believe our Govt sprayed us all with the bioweapon via chem trails or drone
I'm interested in a couple of anecdotal pieces of evidence from Wuhan.
1) Apparently, a lot of athletes and visitors to the World Military Games in October 2019 (in Wuhan) got sick from "something."
2) Some of these athletes have reported that when they jogged or strolled through the city, it seemed strangely quiet. There weren't nearly as many people moving around as they would have thought.
These two bits of information make me think it's possible the virus was already spreading in this city in September and early October. That's why so many visitors would have presumably gotten sick.
3) There's satellite images that show many local hospital parking lots in Wuhan in September 2019. These parking lots have far more vehicles than the same time from previous years. Why would the hospital parking lots be over-flowing ... in September?
Number one.
Why couldn't it be some member of some participating military taking the virus to the games?
That theory has been posited by a few people. Could a virus spread that rapidly through this group of athletes and coaches if someone brought it to the games? I don't know. I guess it could. It seems more likely it was already there and circulating but I'm open to all possibilities. I'd be a good investigator or detective - I don't automatically rule out things that could be possible or important.
I think it was made and released in the US.
The only proof that anyone has had covid lies with the testing which is not valid. I know people who were ill with a nasty virus at the back end of 2019 and we called it flu. If we had continued to do that then all this mess would have been avoided. Stop validating the existence of a virus which has never been proven to exist. We were scammed.
Funny that scientist and medical authorities say the coronavirus is very contagious it took me 32 months before I got a mild case, and I was out delivering food in 8 to 10 restaurants per day 5 days a week from January 2020 until infected in August 2022.
And I was in the hospital for several days twice during that period and the emergency room 3 times for different issues.
Wow are you lucky you escaped! O won't go to a hospital for fear of stupid covid questions, forced test, bogus result, remdesivir, ventilator, DEAD.
I don't know what hospitals you might consider going to that would force you take a COVID test, I just say no when asked, I never had bogus results in the 3 PCR and 1 blood test, and of course Advanced Health Care Directive given the hospital at the time of admission specifically forbids them to administer remdesivir under any circumstances, and only allows them to use alternative approved medical procedures, or the use of a ventilator.
Extract: of my AHCD, this keeps in line from asking stupid COVID question too:
(b) I have educated myself on the SARS-COV2/COVID19 pandemic and fully aware that the United States government protocols are life threatening and that medical establishment are knowingly causing harm based on those government protocols. Therefore, I direct this treatment and protocols regarding SARS-COV2/COVID19 or Variants thereof:
(1) If, I’m diagnosed with SARS-COV2/COVID19, a variant or afflicted with an ailment derived thereof, either determined through testing positive or am determined to be presumptively positive as defined by my specific symptoms, I intentionally and specifically reject the use of Remdesivir, Molnupiravir, Paxlovid, or any EUA or permanent approved mRNA/DNA genetic cell therapies, vaccines, injections, medications, treatments, blood products or transfusions that test positive for the SARS-COV2/COVID 19 or antibodies, or the use of a ventilator as a treatment option or any other treatment method that is being utilized that is resulting in a high injury or death rate as outlined by the best available raw data; not meaningless adjust rate to ratio bias by any medical or scientific authority.
(2) If, treatment is necessary because I have received the SARS-COV2/COVID19 or any subsequent variant vaccine, I hereby revoke traditional treatment and direct my agent to seek alternative treatment by professionals treating patients and side effects caused by the SARS-COV2/covid19 vaccine.
(3) I, do not consent to being treated as stated in paragraph b. (1), while I’m admitted to any medical or psychiatric facility. If, the facility does not allow for the use of any alternative medical treatments, I direct my agent to have me discharged and placed in alternative care opposed to being treated as stated in paragraph b. (1). I specifically direct my primary physician or spokesman to seek “all” alternative treatments, to include those like Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine, Zinc, Doxycycline, Azithromycin, Vitamin D3, Vitamin C, Aspirin, Oxygen, etc.
(4) In, the event that new medication or treatment options for SARS-COV2/COVID19 become available, except new as stated in paragraph b. (1), I direct my designated Medical Power of Attorney in Part 1, or surrogate with my primary physician to conduct an independent evaluation to determine if the likely risks, side effects, and burdens would outweigh the expected benefits prior to consenting to the administration.
(5) If, I am discharged from any medical or psychiatric facility, I acknowledge that all treatments may be withheld or removed except at all times those treatments necessary for the alleviation of pain or discomfort, even if it hastens my death.
(2.2) If, a medical professional disregard my wishes and refuses to cooperate, I specifically request that a criminal referral be made for assault on my person, false imprisonment and negligent homicide if I should pass away.
PCR doesn't determine infection, (maybe like 25 cycle) and I have personal experience with all of things you mention being disregarded. In fact, one was married to a nirse who was not allowed to see him, view records or get him moved. He almost died, well almost got murdered.
Someone needs to get an attorney I guess, because I know people with AHCD and when asked to be released the hospital tripped over themselves to release him.
It's illegal, in fact, it's kid napping for any hospital to hold you against your will or the person listed in your medical power of attorney which I didn't list because of the names, and AHCD not release you.
Without those, and if you're incompasitated, they don't have to release, you fact it's against the law for them to release you, they can be held liable if they do.
I have no doubt ECMO saved Tim. His wife thinks that. She said they were fortunate that hospital did have ECMO, when most in Alabama do not. She actually never left the hospital the entire time he was in the hospital. Remember, this was before quarantines ... so she got to see what a severe Covid patient goes through. It was gruesome, she said. That's another reason Tim's story should have been big news. There was a witness to what he experienced. She also predicted many Covid patients would die from the vents. She said Tim had competent people adjusting his vent, but she knew that wouldn't be the case at many hospitals. She was kind of prescient in many of her predictions. It's a shame no MSM reporters were interested in her story.
I'm becoming more religious because of all this. I don't discount that this "evil" is real evil - from the master of Evil.
Better late than never! And when you start going down the rabbit hole of the pope being the false prophet (very likely) and macron, etc. His coming is getting closer. I pray for him to come back every day. Unfortunately we have more suffering as he gives people free will to do good...or evil.