Also, the link to his written document (see first link in my article) includes excellent examples - with whistleblower testimony from nursing home employees - of how the iatrogenic deaths happened. I understand, the author has even more whistleblowers who have now spoken to him.
In our podcast conversation, Richard and I discuss the "placebo effect" vs. the "nocebo effect." (I hope I got the spelling of the latter term right).
The Placebo Effect makes some people think they've been "cured" by a medicine that hasn't done anything to help them.
In contrast, the Nocebo Effect, causes some people to panic and experience great stress (which isn't good for their mental and perhaps physical health) because they've been fed "misinformation" or "disinformation" about some allegedly deadly virus.
This can actually create the "symptoms" of the alleged disease. So when doctors prescribe some extreme medical protocol, the patient is more likely to go along with said treatment ("you HAVE to go on a ventilator, we have to give you this drug," etc). Also, doctors and nurses are more likely to think this patient has severe Covid because they are convinced these patients do and that they are manifesting some of the clinical traits of such patients.
So the false panic actually produces more "cases" ... and ultimately more "Covid deaths."
FWIW, I don't think this psychological dynamic has gotten nearly enough attention.
Re: The huge, non-exposed scandal of iatrogenic-caused deaths ...
I suspect the FDA-approved drug Remdesivir must be the cause of a large number of these unnecessary deaths. The link below will take readers to a good article, providing more evidence this is so ... and the drug is still being used!
I think about 10 changes in treatment protocols (and other non-treatment factors) contributed to a "perfect storm" causing all of these alleged "Covid deaths." This makes one wonder where are all the fearless plaintiffs' trial lawyers when we need them?
Headline and sub-headline:
Power and Greed Behind FDA’s Promotion of Remdesivir
Despite studies showing its danger, the U.S. government is pushing a kidney-toxic drug on vulnerable patients
Re: the "perfect storm" of medical/pschological changes that must have caused these iatrogenic deaths ... of the top of my head, here are many of the key changes:
1. Prescriptions/administration of Remdesivir
2. The decline (by up to 50 percent) of antibiotics for treatment of patients who would have received antiboitics a week before the new protocols.
3. Putting too many people on ventillators (and staffers not well-trained on monitoring the vents).
4. Isolating patients, which kept their loved ones away
5. Sedation of patients so they couldn't protest
6. Over-prescription of morphine and other "end of life" pathway drugs.
7. Sending patients who should be in the hospital back to nursing homes
8. Scaring ill people who should have received medical treatment from going to the hospital
9. The "Nocebo" effect (opposite of the placebo effect). Patients thought they had some deadly virus and this caused some of them to manifest symptoms mistaken for severe Covid - and influenced medical decisions of nurses and doctors
10. Dehydration of patient in severe medical condition
11. No media or press allowed to observe what's happening in ICU or hospitals with patients
12. Use of the 35 to 45-cycle PCR tests to "prove" someone had Covid and thus needed all of these new protocols.
13. Major financial incentives to diagnose someone with Covid, put them on a ventillator and prescribe Remdesivir.
... And this is a partial list.
My take-away is that the novel coronavirus didn't suddenly change and become more lethal in late March 2020/early April ... the medical protocols changed. This is what accounts for the vast majority of "Covid deaths" beginning in April 2020 IMO.
Just finished listening to your superlative interview and would merely like to add the following thoughts . . .
As we discussed privately Covid most definitely did commence in 2019. As I stated previously it went through my office of roughly 50 employee's many of whom work shoulder to shoulder like wild fire! I knew it was Covid for three reasons: It was enormously contagious like no other virus. I beleive this was deliberate and intentionally manipulated to be highly transmittable in addition to sending the immune system into colossal overdrive which is what killed so many - massive organ failure - the body began attacking itself which is precisely what auto-immune diseases do - it doesn't turn off - hence using hydroxychloroquine ALSO KNOWN AS Plaquenil which has been around and used for decades to treat overactive immune systems!
Secondly, you were known to relapse right after getting it the first time - which also happened. One of the woman in my office, very young and in excellent health had breathing difficulty and went to the hospital! I think they gave her a steroid for the inflammation and she came right back!
Like you said in the podcast those who went to the hospital prior to the hysteria got treated properly! I've another friend early 70's who had double pneumonia and went to the hospital She was treated for a week and came home! I told her repeatedly DO NOT GET ANY SHOTS because you already had it! I swear the only reason she is alive today is because she was in the hospital PRIOR to the government protocol or she clearly would be dead! I think she got sick in January 2020.
You had less than a 1% chance of dying - once that was announced repeatedly, I stopped listening! WHO in their right mind would ever ever beleive anything the government has to say! THAT fact alone should have put an immediate end to everything! Although I beleive the next Goverment attack will be bio-terrorism and when "they" tell us not to move no one will beleive them and they will kill us that way instead!
I can't help but think if this had been about the termination of cell phones - they would've ripped every single study to shreds and those who advocated for them! The problem with todays society is they only want to be entertained rather than educate themselves. It was the debilitating narcissism
that has overtaken the world which is what I beleive caused this reaction! People took shots so they could go to pubs?!? Are you kidding me? My doctor said HE took it so he could fly! I told him not if you're DEAD!
In your interview you blamed this on a herd mentality - no one wanting to be left out so to speak. It has some validity but I personally don't see it as being the number one cause or the greatest! Look at society today and how everyone seems to thrive on being different! I think we have more freaks today (overall) then we've ever had! One example being the gay community - if there truly is no difference and all they want is equality, then why the need for all the labels which specifically sperate them from the rest of society? If you truly wanted to be JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE - DROP THE DAMN LABELS!!
In conclusion - I beleive all of this was intentional! I beleive it started in Fort Ditrick and as per usual once again we're blaming China so that when we start a war with them NEXT, everyone will beleive
they're just as evil as they also beleive Russia is! Totally ignoring Donbas and how the Ukrainians murdered thousands of Russians for years! Or how we promised Russia would would not move Nato one inch to the east and then did!!
I beleive this Country is gone and never coming back - we are beyond broke and in debt for trillions of dollars!!! Hence the need to get rid of the elderly and disabled who're a financial drain on society! I beleive those in power deliberately sold us out to China (NYC San Fran and Chicago - all ironically and strategically gone - complete and total lawlessness) and a war is simply window dressing for them to eventually take full control! Hence politically and calculatingly depleting our military and weaponry in Ukraine!
Mr Rice thank you for you research and reporting on this. I'm a new subscriber. I have a question: What can you say about when and why deaths spiked in places like Detroit and Chicago during 2020? What data can you point me to that give us those numbers? I'm trying convince people around me that the deaths of those people were due largely to hospital maleficence. But I need to show the oddity of NY Detroit and Chicago spikes.
Roy, I'd listen to the podcast I did with Richard and Fred makes good points that Transcriber B has done a lot of transcripts of people who have first-hand information. Richard Cox has another interview he just did with another whistleblower on this topic. Those spikes in Chicago and Detroit came when the panic had ensued and the protocols had been changed IMO. All of this said, it would be nice if someone presented all the research you are looking for. It would be a great book by itself. Thanks for subscribing. I'm going to keep trying to do more on this topic since it should be a huge scandal. Once upon a time, "Sixty Minutes" would have been all over a scandal like this ... not anymore. I would add that New Orleans outbreak was early enough that I think some percentage of hospitalized patients did have real symptomatic Covid. The treatment they received just wasn't the correct treatment. They would have been better off being treated in the same hospitals in December 2019.
I listened to your talk with Transcriber B. I'll Check out Richard Cox. But I'm looking for data showing the sudden spike in hospitals during this time. I suspect that some people in Detroit, for example, were admitted to the hospital before the virus reached their lungs, and were given the Remdezivr and intubation protocol as a way to boost hospital income. These people, I suspect, went to the hospital/emergency room more out of panic than out of need, and that they were subsequently admitted and taken advantage of -- killed in many cases-- for monetary gain.
A while back Bill Rice interviewed Transcriber B, another substacke writer. Transciber B's substack is where she keeps a repository of inconvenient truths silenced and/or disappeared by the government. The one that opened my eyes the most was "Nurse Albert Spencer's testimony" before the South Carolina State Senant.
Thanks for the heads up on the podcast, must see for sure. As to the effort required not to hold so many in contempt, why try? If you succeed isn't that a perfect example of cognitive dissonance?
On another taboo Covid topic, thanks to reader T Coddington for identifying six more school districts that closed in the flu season of 2019-2020, pre-official Covid.
With these additions, my list of school systems or individual schools that closed "due to the flu" is now at least 105 in at least 15 states (not 14).
I've updated my master list. If anyone else lives in a state where you know a school(s) closed pre-Covid, please pass along a supporting article link to me. I doubt that my now "15 state" list is definitive.
Here's my now-updated article that lists all the schools that closed in America (and when they closed due to excess absences caused by flu-like illnesses):
I see where at least 117 readers clicked on the podcast link and listened to perhaps a few minutes of our conversation. Thought exercise: What if such a show was viewed/heard by, say, 117 MILLION people in the world? Maybe 10 percent of these listeners (11.7 million people) would think about possibilities they'd never considered before this? If that happened, you have an alternate reality that MIGHT actually change a few false narratives ... So from this thought exercise we see why such podcasts HAD to be censored or the algorithms had to be used to "de-boost" shares so such content did NOT "go viral."
This also explains why the Censorship Industrial Complex isn't going to voluntarily disband in the future. Our rulers MUST have this system in place to ensure all the other parts of their future agendas aren't thwarted. That is, the skeptics are still going to be out there ... but our points won't matter if only a handful of people hear these narrative-debunking points.
Just a quick referral to Tara Henley's Substack this morning where she did an interview with Holly Doan the respected owner of Blacklock's reporter. They specialize in searching out Canadian government documents many of which the government want to keep quiet. Todays topic was the downfall of Canadian MSM and what to do to rebuild it. It would be worth a read
I loved the following line from Holly:
"So, all of these initiatives, (subsidies) if you want to call it that — I call it interventions — it’s a little bit like if the government had put their knee on Henry Ford’s neck and threw all the money into the wagon makers. That’s where we are."
I'll read this all, but I have a few tidbits to share.
1. What is a "deemster" (it has to do with the Isle of Man).
2. I been on the Isle of Man - went there with my wife and daughter studying supposedly abroad in Plymouth.
3. I think at another time I was in the image you have presented - the wind was hollering, my wife was standing back safe, and my daughter and I walked on the edge in the wind in the mind of my wife! That was a blast.
Yep - I learned this recently...."deemster" was a word I was unfamiliar with until it showed up in an "anagram" puzzle....(long story).
It also occurred to me that I was incorrect about the school my daughter was supposedly studying in - it was the University of Portsmouth (not Plymouth) and just a hop, skip, and a jump to Isle of Man so we went (along with a visit to Portchester Castle, Stonehenge, Bath, and of course London)!
When we visited it was sort of "off-season" so things were not too busy.....we got to our first destination after arriving on the island (I can't remember the name) and first we walked down to the rocky shoreline with cliffs above - very memorable. Then we walked on the cliffs above - it was a windy day (but I suspect that is not unusual at all) and it was invigorating walking along the edge.
If your daughter was at Portsmouth and the trip was a short one then it sounds like it was the Isle of Wight that you went to? It is located just off the south coast of England.
The Isle of Man is more Northerly between Emgland and Ireland with a lot of Viking and Celtic history. It is semi-autonomous from the UK so had a slightly different response to the UK and now having our own enquiry, not the the outcome will be any different!
Either way it sounds like you had a memorable time!
Oh my goodness. Ha,ha. You are correct. I must be a confused soul, cause everyone knows the deemsters are on the Isle of Man and not the Isle of Wight.
I’ll tell you this we had a hard time getting on the Isle cause we got a flat tire after I drove on the WRONG side of the road…..lessons learned about trying to drive in England.
Here's a link that goes to several of Richard's recent podcasts and his main site. If this link doesn't work, I added it to the main story in an edit.
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-deep-state-consciousness-podcast/id1338867921
Also, the link to his written document (see first link in my article) includes excellent examples - with whistleblower testimony from nursing home employees - of how the iatrogenic deaths happened. I understand, the author has even more whistleblowers who have now spoken to him.
In our podcast conversation, Richard and I discuss the "placebo effect" vs. the "nocebo effect." (I hope I got the spelling of the latter term right).
The Placebo Effect makes some people think they've been "cured" by a medicine that hasn't done anything to help them.
In contrast, the Nocebo Effect, causes some people to panic and experience great stress (which isn't good for their mental and perhaps physical health) because they've been fed "misinformation" or "disinformation" about some allegedly deadly virus.
This can actually create the "symptoms" of the alleged disease. So when doctors prescribe some extreme medical protocol, the patient is more likely to go along with said treatment ("you HAVE to go on a ventilator, we have to give you this drug," etc). Also, doctors and nurses are more likely to think this patient has severe Covid because they are convinced these patients do and that they are manifesting some of the clinical traits of such patients.
So the false panic actually produces more "cases" ... and ultimately more "Covid deaths."
FWIW, I don't think this psychological dynamic has gotten nearly enough attention.
Re: The huge, non-exposed scandal of iatrogenic-caused deaths ...
I suspect the FDA-approved drug Remdesivir must be the cause of a large number of these unnecessary deaths. The link below will take readers to a good article, providing more evidence this is so ... and the drug is still being used!
I think about 10 changes in treatment protocols (and other non-treatment factors) contributed to a "perfect storm" causing all of these alleged "Covid deaths." This makes one wonder where are all the fearless plaintiffs' trial lawyers when we need them?
Headline and sub-headline:
Power and Greed Behind FDA’s Promotion of Remdesivir
Despite studies showing its danger, the U.S. government is pushing a kidney-toxic drug on vulnerable patients
https://public.substack.com/p/power-and-greed-behind-fdas-promotion?utm_source=substack&publication_id=279400&post_id=135582273&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&triggerShare=true&isFreemail=true
Re: the "perfect storm" of medical/pschological changes that must have caused these iatrogenic deaths ... of the top of my head, here are many of the key changes:
1. Prescriptions/administration of Remdesivir
2. The decline (by up to 50 percent) of antibiotics for treatment of patients who would have received antiboitics a week before the new protocols.
3. Putting too many people on ventillators (and staffers not well-trained on monitoring the vents).
4. Isolating patients, which kept their loved ones away
5. Sedation of patients so they couldn't protest
6. Over-prescription of morphine and other "end of life" pathway drugs.
7. Sending patients who should be in the hospital back to nursing homes
8. Scaring ill people who should have received medical treatment from going to the hospital
9. The "Nocebo" effect (opposite of the placebo effect). Patients thought they had some deadly virus and this caused some of them to manifest symptoms mistaken for severe Covid - and influenced medical decisions of nurses and doctors
10. Dehydration of patient in severe medical condition
11. No media or press allowed to observe what's happening in ICU or hospitals with patients
12. Use of the 35 to 45-cycle PCR tests to "prove" someone had Covid and thus needed all of these new protocols.
13. Major financial incentives to diagnose someone with Covid, put them on a ventillator and prescribe Remdesivir.
... And this is a partial list.
My take-away is that the novel coronavirus didn't suddenly change and become more lethal in late March 2020/early April ... the medical protocols changed. This is what accounts for the vast majority of "Covid deaths" beginning in April 2020 IMO.
Just finished listening to your superlative interview and would merely like to add the following thoughts . . .
As we discussed privately Covid most definitely did commence in 2019. As I stated previously it went through my office of roughly 50 employee's many of whom work shoulder to shoulder like wild fire! I knew it was Covid for three reasons: It was enormously contagious like no other virus. I beleive this was deliberate and intentionally manipulated to be highly transmittable in addition to sending the immune system into colossal overdrive which is what killed so many - massive organ failure - the body began attacking itself which is precisely what auto-immune diseases do - it doesn't turn off - hence using hydroxychloroquine ALSO KNOWN AS Plaquenil which has been around and used for decades to treat overactive immune systems!
Secondly, you were known to relapse right after getting it the first time - which also happened. One of the woman in my office, very young and in excellent health had breathing difficulty and went to the hospital! I think they gave her a steroid for the inflammation and she came right back!
Like you said in the podcast those who went to the hospital prior to the hysteria got treated properly! I've another friend early 70's who had double pneumonia and went to the hospital She was treated for a week and came home! I told her repeatedly DO NOT GET ANY SHOTS because you already had it! I swear the only reason she is alive today is because she was in the hospital PRIOR to the government protocol or she clearly would be dead! I think she got sick in January 2020.
You had less than a 1% chance of dying - once that was announced repeatedly, I stopped listening! WHO in their right mind would ever ever beleive anything the government has to say! THAT fact alone should have put an immediate end to everything! Although I beleive the next Goverment attack will be bio-terrorism and when "they" tell us not to move no one will beleive them and they will kill us that way instead!
I can't help but think if this had been about the termination of cell phones - they would've ripped every single study to shreds and those who advocated for them! The problem with todays society is they only want to be entertained rather than educate themselves. It was the debilitating narcissism
that has overtaken the world which is what I beleive caused this reaction! People took shots so they could go to pubs?!? Are you kidding me? My doctor said HE took it so he could fly! I told him not if you're DEAD!
In your interview you blamed this on a herd mentality - no one wanting to be left out so to speak. It has some validity but I personally don't see it as being the number one cause or the greatest! Look at society today and how everyone seems to thrive on being different! I think we have more freaks today (overall) then we've ever had! One example being the gay community - if there truly is no difference and all they want is equality, then why the need for all the labels which specifically sperate them from the rest of society? If you truly wanted to be JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE - DROP THE DAMN LABELS!!
In conclusion - I beleive all of this was intentional! I beleive it started in Fort Ditrick and as per usual once again we're blaming China so that when we start a war with them NEXT, everyone will beleive
they're just as evil as they also beleive Russia is! Totally ignoring Donbas and how the Ukrainians murdered thousands of Russians for years! Or how we promised Russia would would not move Nato one inch to the east and then did!!
I beleive this Country is gone and never coming back - we are beyond broke and in debt for trillions of dollars!!! Hence the need to get rid of the elderly and disabled who're a financial drain on society! I beleive those in power deliberately sold us out to China (NYC San Fran and Chicago - all ironically and strategically gone - complete and total lawlessness) and a war is simply window dressing for them to eventually take full control! Hence politically and calculatingly depleting our military and weaponry in Ukraine!
Mr Rice thank you for you research and reporting on this. I'm a new subscriber. I have a question: What can you say about when and why deaths spiked in places like Detroit and Chicago during 2020? What data can you point me to that give us those numbers? I'm trying convince people around me that the deaths of those people were due largely to hospital maleficence. But I need to show the oddity of NY Detroit and Chicago spikes.
Roy, I'd listen to the podcast I did with Richard and Fred makes good points that Transcriber B has done a lot of transcripts of people who have first-hand information. Richard Cox has another interview he just did with another whistleblower on this topic. Those spikes in Chicago and Detroit came when the panic had ensued and the protocols had been changed IMO. All of this said, it would be nice if someone presented all the research you are looking for. It would be a great book by itself. Thanks for subscribing. I'm going to keep trying to do more on this topic since it should be a huge scandal. Once upon a time, "Sixty Minutes" would have been all over a scandal like this ... not anymore. I would add that New Orleans outbreak was early enough that I think some percentage of hospitalized patients did have real symptomatic Covid. The treatment they received just wasn't the correct treatment. They would have been better off being treated in the same hospitals in December 2019.
I listened to your talk with Transcriber B. I'll Check out Richard Cox. But I'm looking for data showing the sudden spike in hospitals during this time. I suspect that some people in Detroit, for example, were admitted to the hospital before the virus reached their lungs, and were given the Remdezivr and intubation protocol as a way to boost hospital income. These people, I suspect, went to the hospital/emergency room more out of panic than out of need, and that they were subsequently admitted and taken advantage of -- killed in many cases-- for monetary gain.
Once upon a time indeed...
A while back Bill Rice interviewed Transcriber B, another substacke writer. Transciber B's substack is where she keeps a repository of inconvenient truths silenced and/or disappeared by the government. The one that opened my eyes the most was "Nurse Albert Spencer's testimony" before the South Carolina State Senant.
https://transcriberb.dreamwidth.org/10261.html
Thanks Fred. I'll check it out.
LOL It's audio interview day!
Thanks for the heads up on the podcast, must see for sure. As to the effort required not to hold so many in contempt, why try? If you succeed isn't that a perfect example of cognitive dissonance?
On another taboo Covid topic, thanks to reader T Coddington for identifying six more school districts that closed in the flu season of 2019-2020, pre-official Covid.
With these additions, my list of school systems or individual schools that closed "due to the flu" is now at least 105 in at least 15 states (not 14).
I've updated my master list. If anyone else lives in a state where you know a school(s) closed pre-Covid, please pass along a supporting article link to me. I doubt that my now "15 state" list is definitive.
Here's my now-updated article that lists all the schools that closed in America (and when they closed due to excess absences caused by flu-like illnesses):
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/school-closings-galore-documented?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
I see where at least 117 readers clicked on the podcast link and listened to perhaps a few minutes of our conversation. Thought exercise: What if such a show was viewed/heard by, say, 117 MILLION people in the world? Maybe 10 percent of these listeners (11.7 million people) would think about possibilities they'd never considered before this? If that happened, you have an alternate reality that MIGHT actually change a few false narratives ... So from this thought exercise we see why such podcasts HAD to be censored or the algorithms had to be used to "de-boost" shares so such content did NOT "go viral."
This also explains why the Censorship Industrial Complex isn't going to voluntarily disband in the future. Our rulers MUST have this system in place to ensure all the other parts of their future agendas aren't thwarted. That is, the skeptics are still going to be out there ... but our points won't matter if only a handful of people hear these narrative-debunking points.
Just a quick referral to Tara Henley's Substack this morning where she did an interview with Holly Doan the respected owner of Blacklock's reporter. They specialize in searching out Canadian government documents many of which the government want to keep quiet. Todays topic was the downfall of Canadian MSM and what to do to rebuild it. It would be worth a read
I loved the following line from Holly:
"So, all of these initiatives, (subsidies) if you want to call it that — I call it interventions — it’s a little bit like if the government had put their knee on Henry Ford’s neck and threw all the money into the wagon makers. That’s where we are."
https://tarahenley.substack.com/p/weekend-reads-the-collapse-of-canadian?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
Still listening and reading through and exploring.
He's got at least one more, potentially about 15 more that I share with (my 'best bud' list has dwindled a bit over the past few years.)
And nice listening to you after reading your articles...just IMHO, you held your own quite well. Keep 'em coming.
I'll read this all, but I have a few tidbits to share.
1. What is a "deemster" (it has to do with the Isle of Man).
2. I been on the Isle of Man - went there with my wife and daughter studying supposedly abroad in Plymouth.
3. I think at another time I was in the image you have presented - the wind was hollering, my wife was standing back safe, and my daughter and I walked on the edge in the wind in the mind of my wife! That was a blast.
~~~
Peace!
Ken
Hi Ken,
Greetings from the Isle of Man.
A Deemster is the equivalent of a judge. They are appointed by the UK Crown.
Dear Chris:
Yep - I learned this recently...."deemster" was a word I was unfamiliar with until it showed up in an "anagram" puzzle....(long story).
It also occurred to me that I was incorrect about the school my daughter was supposedly studying in - it was the University of Portsmouth (not Plymouth) and just a hop, skip, and a jump to Isle of Man so we went (along with a visit to Portchester Castle, Stonehenge, Bath, and of course London)!
When we visited it was sort of "off-season" so things were not too busy.....we got to our first destination after arriving on the island (I can't remember the name) and first we walked down to the rocky shoreline with cliffs above - very memorable. Then we walked on the cliffs above - it was a windy day (but I suspect that is not unusual at all) and it was invigorating walking along the edge.
Cheers!
BK
Hi Ken,
If your daughter was at Portsmouth and the trip was a short one then it sounds like it was the Isle of Wight that you went to? It is located just off the south coast of England.
The Isle of Man is more Northerly between Emgland and Ireland with a lot of Viking and Celtic history. It is semi-autonomous from the UK so had a slightly different response to the UK and now having our own enquiry, not the the outcome will be any different!
Either way it sounds like you had a memorable time!
Cheers,
Chris
Oh my goodness. Ha,ha. You are correct. I must be a confused soul, cause everyone knows the deemsters are on the Isle of Man and not the Isle of Wight.
I’ll tell you this we had a hard time getting on the Isle cause we got a flat tire after I drove on the WRONG side of the road…..lessons learned about trying to drive in England.
Your a good chap! Ha, ha.
Thanks,
Ken
I will definitely check it out! Thanks for sharing Bill.
Thank you for sharing this
Thought you were both brilliant very informative chat. I have been following Richard for a short time always find guests interesting.
https://gellerreport.com/2023/07/california-illegal-secret-chinese-bioagent-lab-raided.html/