I strongly recommend my readers check out Michael Spenger's important Substack story from today. This article produces compelling evidence that it wasn't necessarily "Covid" that killed 30,000 Americans in April 2020. Many if not the majority of these deaths were probably caused by ventilators and faulty medical procedures (and toxic drugs), panic, etc. that occurred after the lockdowns. It was the government/medical establishment's RESPONSE to the pandemic - not necessarily or only the virus - that caused most of this huge spike in deaths. This is a massive and still unreported scandal.
Thanks for the link. All you need to know is that of people who died *of* Covid, how many died at home and not in a hospital? My guess is nearly everyone died of iatrocide (death by medical intervention).
I remember reading in the spring of 2020 a comment in an article about treating Covid and someone said something to the effect that if you treat it as a circulatory disease you’ll win, if you treat as a respiratory disease you’ll lose. This seemed a minority opinion at the time but it turned out to be true.
I’m amazed at how many minority/cancelled opinions in the spring of 2020 turned out to be true, and the main stream censors were, it seems, nearly a 100% wrong.
Bill, I keep telling people the same thing - Do you recall the news reports about the hospital administrator who committed suicide “that was stress-related” dealing with the “Covid Pandemic”? I don’t mean to speak I’ll of the dead or start rumors, but, as I recall, she was the one who was giving tv interviews almost as frequently as Fauci. However, what really unnerved me and what I saw NO coverage of, was the possible correlation between her hospital that she was “leading”, and the interviews with the numerous traveling nurses from the mid-West and elsewhere who reported that when they went to the hospitals most affected by Covid in NYC, they told their supervisors that they did NOT have experience administering ventilators, to which their supervisors and administrators replied “well you’ll learn now by doing it!” - in other words, without any training! At least, that was what I inferred from the interviews! That needs to be looked into too!
I hope readers interested in this topic - people who think they did or might have had Covid before the "experts" say is possible - will share this article with other friends who also feel this way. These people have been told they can't be right and have been ignored and censored from participating in the national discussion. Early spread - if proven conclusively - would be a massively important story that would change the entire Covid narrative. It would also tell us those infallible "experts" and authorities haven't been telling the public the full and accurate truth. In fact, I think they have been working in concert to conceal all of this important evidence.
Unfortunately I do not have proof of antibodies, but wanted to let you know my wife and I believe we had Covid in late November (wife) and early December(myself) of 2019. We live in Wichita, Kansas ... We both had alternating sweats and chills for 2 to 3 days at the peak of the illness. It could have been the flu, but I had personally only been sick this severely back around 1996. Neither of us have ever tested positive for Covid and have had only mild colds since, leaving us to believe we have had antibodies. Unfortunately the antibody testing available in wichita are too expensive and unreliable to bother with. I did take the finger prick test at Kroger but it was negative for antibodies and at $25 I believe I simply got what I paid for, lol.
And the testimonials are coming in again this morning! This one would have been in my story ….
I was traveling in Northern Italy and Sicily in Oct 2019 - returning to Vancouver BC Canada the first week of November 2019. In transit - London UK - I began to feel ill... thought it was the onset of a bad cold ... Got on my flight and arrived feeling not great but able to function.
I now am a singer ( after retiring from Clinical Epidemiology) and had a performance within two days... which I had to cut short, was taken home and a couple of days later was taken by ambulance to hospital. There, pneumonia diagnosed, oxygen but continuing decline in symptoms...
Hacking cough, fever etc etc. I was very ill and a puzzle to the medics...consensus was an immune system assault...slowly recovered.
By the time I had to travel back to Europe again ( January 2020) , the nature of the illness was still a puzzle and I still had ongoing symptoms....
Within weeks of the Covid epidemic and shutdown, GP was reckoning Covid ( still slowly recovering).
BUT... Canada had very "restrictive" rules, instantly in place for the requirement of a "Gold Standard" for testing... So this basic opportunity of data collection and analysis was lost.
I am sure you are aware how Canada has used the Covid "crisi" to best advantage for political ends.
.... With every good wish to you and many others exploring this strange ( and dangerous) muddle between science and politics.
Note: Name included with permission.
Elspeth McVeigh
MSc ( Clinical Epidemiology and Biostatistics) McMaster University, Hamilton , Ontario, Canada.
Note 2: Also, I didn’t publish some of my better testimonials because I wanted to go ahead and publish the story, which was already very long. So I’ll add more in the Comments section in the days to come.
Right. This has not received nearly enough attention or investigation. Could it have been Covid? It fits the timeline from my readers, many who say they were sick before September 2019.
Right. As I say in my piece, I don't believe every person who thinks they had Covid in 2019 or early January 2020, in fact, had Covid. But I do think a percentage of people who were sick did. I place particular emphasis on those people who say they tested "negative" for influenza at the time they were sick. This rules out the flu. I have one email from a doctor who opines that 30 percent of his/her sick patients in this time frame (those who tested negative for flu) very likely had Covid. I think this is a good estimate. Now think of all the people from November 2019 through January 2020 who went to the doctor with flu-like symptoms ... and tested negative for the flu. This would probably be many millions of Americas. Thirty percent of this cohort would be millions of people who were excellent candidates for having Covid. In a future article, I'll report more on this doctor's views. Alas, the doctor does not want to be named or identified so I'll protect his/her identify. I have no doubt many other doctors and nurses in America think the same thing. They just have never publicly said this.
I don't know, I live in the UK but (this is going to sound weird) I have saved a stupid amount of bookmarks since Covid started and yesterday I suddenly thought of this story but I couldn't find it in my bookmarks.
Obviously Covid, coronavirus, sheltered housing and all sorts of other keywords did not retrieve the article from my ridiculous number of bookmarks.
Then I tried RESPIRATORY and bingo top of the list!
This is as validating as it is fascinating. I thought I had bronchitis in October of 2019 and went to an urgent care clinic. The doctor said my lungs sounded clear and gave me antibiotics. When my breathing became more difficult after that antibiotic cycle, I was prescribed a stronger one. And then a third. By that time, my immune system had collapsed and I was seeing pulmonologists who were baffled by my x-rays and TWICE told me I was dying -- first of lung cancer and then of an autoimmune disorder that was destroying my lungs. I collapsed during a lung function test and underwent a bronchoscopy which revealed what looked like horrible pneumonia of unknown origin. I was told I could no longer work because this newfangled COVID virus was spreading quickly and would surely kill me if I contracted it. The lockdown began two days later and while I was busy updating my will, I gradually recovered. Don't remember when I had the antibody test, but it was negative. Still, I'm nearly certain I had an early case of COVID and doctors used my situation to learn more about a condition that was baffling at that time. I regret getting the so-called vaccine (just the initial two shots), but my boss insisted and I complied. It's comforting to know I wasn't the only one going through hell. When it comes to viruses, I'd rather not be a beta tester.
In December of 2019 something swept through my team. I finally came down with it towards the end of December but was going to be on leave for 2 weeks anyways. Whatever this was I had a hard time breathing and stopped a few times during the night. Wound up sleeping upright on my couch for a few days. I've had pneumonia and this was worse than that in how the symptoms scared me... it wasn't until one Covid symptom was described that I figured I was an "early adopter" I lost my sense of smell for a while.
Here is another "antibody positive" testimonial I just received in the Reader Comments after my Dec. 16 story. From testimonials included in the above story, at least seven people say they later got positive antibody results. These people can be added to the list of my previous tally of 17 people I had identified as later testing positive for antibodies. I also just found another lady from the UK who says she later tested positive for antibodies after being HOSPITALIZED in November 2019 (See Substack article). So my early list of 17 people has now grown by nine other people (including the below testimonial). It's surreal, but I really think I am the only journalist in the world who is trying to keep up with people who fit this profile (sick before February 2020 and later got a positive antibody test).
This is from "Mark" (I've asked for Mark's last name):
We were in our local pub (semi-rural UK) on NYE 2019 and literally everyone had a cough. I had a really horrible cough and felt generally awful. My breathing was laboured and I ended up at a local NHS walk-in a few days later - which was packed with people with similar symptoms. The doctor saw me and my sats were very low but there was no sign of chest infection. They couldn’t explain the illness but thankfully, they gave me dexamethasone which helped (I have a history of mild asthma). A few days later I had to go off to New York for work - I really shouldn’t have gone, and I joke now about being patient zero in NYC!
It took me a long time to recover and I felt awful for months afterwards and had some knock on health problems as a result. Before I was red-pilled I had the antibody tests for Covid and they confirmed that I had them - this was almost 6 months after I got sick.
Covid was definitely circulating in the latter half of 2019. I’ve got mountains of personal and anecdotal evidence that says so."
UPDATE: I just received an email from Tracy Beanz, the publisher of the outstanding website UncoverDC.com, reminding me that this she and her website published a major story on “early spread” on April 5, 2020 - far earlier than any other news organization did. Tracy was also the ONLY publisher who agreed to publish my own stories on “early spread.” This after I had submitted my first big story to more than 25 well-known news organizations. I have since had many Covid stories published at this site. I hope everyone would consider supporting a site that is not afraid to report taboo stories.
Here’s the bullet points and links to Tracy’s April 5, 2020 story:
- CDC Data supports theory of much earlier COVID infection than has been reported.
Data shows a dramatic spike in “Influenza Like Illness” in certain states as early as November of 2019
- A number of states appear to have already experienced an ILI and made it through to a more stable ILI footing for this time of year
- The US Military participated in the 2019 Military World Games in Wuhan, China between October 18 and October 27 of 2019. Their chartered flights arrive and depart from Seattle-Tacoma International Airport.
- Washington is one of the earliest states to show a spike in ILI, corresponding with the incubation period should the virus have been introduced as the military traveled through Washington to other destinations.
A possible case from late September 2019 in Pennsylvania:
I believe I contracted Covid around Late September but definitely photo documented it on October 1st of 2019. I remember by photo record that i continued to suffer from it well into the end of November. Initially the cold was mostly a fever with head / sinus infection that poured like a waterfall day & night trying to fill up my lungs. The histamine reaction my body was having was unlike ever experienced. Daytime i took decongestants (over the counter like Mucinex) and at night time i tried desperately to dry it up with Benadryl so i could sleep without drowning/choking or coughing to death.
I resorted to sleeping in the slightly downward incline, face down prone so as to avoid fluid getting into my lungs. Worst cold/flu i ever had. In 2020 It was at that time with continuing symptoms I developed a severe nose bleed before Thanksgiving. I resorted to getting my nose cauterized later in 2020 as the bleeding was unpredictable and horrendous. I never got a antigen or antibody test. I also did catch covid again in December of 2021. Mild case with minimal symptoms.
This email respondent gave me an excellent follow-up suggestion:
I enjoyed your article on the 3 specific cases. I’m retired USAF and have many friends who still fly for the commercial airlines. You should look into the airline industry and aircrew members who had flu like symptoms Oct-Dec ‘19. Fairly widespread with all testing negative for Flu A and B.
As a side note, during my annual physical in Mar ‘20, I asked my provider what tests were being performed to determine if some of us had already acquired natural immunity. The answer was none and no plan to do so.
My Comment: This comment actually has relevance to the question of whether pilots and flight attendants should have to get mandatory vaccines. This - and many other responses I have received - strongly suggests many people on commercial airlines, passengers and crew, had already gotten Covid by March 15, 2020.
I am providing information for myself and 2 family members who had Covid in Dec of 2019. I was 54, sick and went to urgent care in Grand Haven, MI on Dec 30th for being tired, feverish, congested, sore throat, Etc. At the same time, my sister 66 and mother 86 went to urgent care also. They treated me like I had a cold, my sister with antibiotics and thought she had asthma and my mom for pneumonia. We all had been together for Christmas with relatives who all flew in from CA, MA, NH and CT with connections through Detroit to northern MI. We were the only ones who got sick of the group and at the exact same time. The three of us stayed later after the holiday and thought we were infected by one of three restaurants we ate in. This is a tourist town area, Leland MI, so others were also from out of state.
My symptoms were milder but weird (loss of taste and smell, fatigue, congestion, cough etc) ... Fatigue lasted for 2 months.
My mom was very sick and weak but started using a Nebulizer right away at home from her personal physician and she eventually recovered at home. My sister had some of my similar symptoms and started using an inhaler but what we noticed is nothing ever worked ....It was unlike any cold or flu I had ever had which is why I went to urgent care.
Now that we have read about other symptoms and experiences, we feel all 3 of us had Covid. None of us has had Covid since.
My sister took an antibody test on May 10th that was negative. (5 months after Covid, not sure of accuracy). I applied for a clinical study with the NIH in April 2020 and outlined my story like above. NIH was recruiting volunteers for at home Covid blood tests. They asked age, sex, race etc and I was never contacted. The email was clinicalstudiesunit@nih.gov. Later, I took an antibody test in July 2020 which was negative (7 months after Covid).
I'll keep adding interesting emails I receive. Here's another one that strongly suggests early spread in China:
In August 2019, we took our usual trip traveling to Japan, Taiwan, Western Australia and Melbourne before returning to the US around August 25th. On all long flights as well as in airport lounges we were surrounded by travelers from China, including Wuhan.
Three days latter our return, we both came down with an illness that had all the Covid symptoms, including the loss of the sense of smell. For me, it evolved into a pneumonia and a long recovery. But my husband also was sick for weeks, with cough persisting over a couple of months. During my illness, I was in a collaboration projects with an academic from North Carolina who made a similar trip in September and had the same symptoms.
We never got tested for antibodies, so any conclusions in our case are pure conjecture, of course. But neither of us got infected during this first stage of the pandemic despite attending conferences with a large number of cases, traveling through the end of March 2020, and being at indoors events where everyone else got infected.
As a background, we are both academics in STEM disciplines.
You can see why they were so desperate to keep us all from talking to each other. It seemed like almost everyone I know was either sick or had someone close to them who was sick with some "new flu" around Thanksgiving, Christmas, or New Year's in 2019-2020. We know there were people in the community who had been to the World Games in China in October.
I certainly caught COVID this past July. I had ivermectin on hand and it's benefits were felt with about three hours of taking the med. It still had me down for three days. I've strongly suspected that I had caught COVID before. During the last week of October 2019. These two bouts had very similar symptoms - aches, brain fog and massive fatigue for months afterwards. The thing about the first time having these symptoms was that two days before I got sick I spent a day at Great Lakes Naval Base right outside of Chicago. This was a few weeks after the military games held in Wuhan.
I strongly recommend my readers check out Michael Spenger's important Substack story from today. This article produces compelling evidence that it wasn't necessarily "Covid" that killed 30,000 Americans in April 2020. Many if not the majority of these deaths were probably caused by ventilators and faulty medical procedures (and toxic drugs), panic, etc. that occurred after the lockdowns. It was the government/medical establishment's RESPONSE to the pandemic - not necessarily or only the virus - that caused most of this huge spike in deaths. This is a massive and still unreported scandal.
https://michaelpsenger.substack.com/p/an-estimated-30000-americans-were
Thanks for the link. All you need to know is that of people who died *of* Covid, how many died at home and not in a hospital? My guess is nearly everyone died of iatrocide (death by medical intervention).
I agree. What an unreported and massive scandal that is.
are Americans slow or what ?
Lazy parenting and government schools are not conducive to wisdom or critical thinking.
no thye are not so it all continues
I remember reading in the spring of 2020 a comment in an article about treating Covid and someone said something to the effect that if you treat it as a circulatory disease you’ll win, if you treat as a respiratory disease you’ll lose. This seemed a minority opinion at the time but it turned out to be true.
I’m amazed at how many minority/cancelled opinions in the spring of 2020 turned out to be true, and the main stream censors were, it seems, nearly a 100% wrong.
Bill, I keep telling people the same thing - Do you recall the news reports about the hospital administrator who committed suicide “that was stress-related” dealing with the “Covid Pandemic”? I don’t mean to speak I’ll of the dead or start rumors, but, as I recall, she was the one who was giving tv interviews almost as frequently as Fauci. However, what really unnerved me and what I saw NO coverage of, was the possible correlation between her hospital that she was “leading”, and the interviews with the numerous traveling nurses from the mid-West and elsewhere who reported that when they went to the hospitals most affected by Covid in NYC, they told their supervisors that they did NOT have experience administering ventilators, to which their supervisors and administrators replied “well you’ll learn now by doing it!” - in other words, without any training! At least, that was what I inferred from the interviews! That needs to be looked into too!
I agree, Juli. I hadn't seen anything on that administrator's suicide. If you find any links, please forward to me.
I hope readers interested in this topic - people who think they did or might have had Covid before the "experts" say is possible - will share this article with other friends who also feel this way. These people have been told they can't be right and have been ignored and censored from participating in the national discussion. Early spread - if proven conclusively - would be a massively important story that would change the entire Covid narrative. It would also tell us those infallible "experts" and authorities haven't been telling the public the full and accurate truth. In fact, I think they have been working in concert to conceal all of this important evidence.
My first response from Kansas:
Unfortunately I do not have proof of antibodies, but wanted to let you know my wife and I believe we had Covid in late November (wife) and early December(myself) of 2019. We live in Wichita, Kansas ... We both had alternating sweats and chills for 2 to 3 days at the peak of the illness. It could have been the flu, but I had personally only been sick this severely back around 1996. Neither of us have ever tested positive for Covid and have had only mild colds since, leaving us to believe we have had antibodies. Unfortunately the antibody testing available in wichita are too expensive and unreliable to bother with. I did take the finger prick test at Kroger but it was negative for antibodies and at $25 I believe I simply got what I paid for, lol.
Good luck in your research project.
And the testimonials are coming in again this morning! This one would have been in my story ….
I was traveling in Northern Italy and Sicily in Oct 2019 - returning to Vancouver BC Canada the first week of November 2019. In transit - London UK - I began to feel ill... thought it was the onset of a bad cold ... Got on my flight and arrived feeling not great but able to function.
I now am a singer ( after retiring from Clinical Epidemiology) and had a performance within two days... which I had to cut short, was taken home and a couple of days later was taken by ambulance to hospital. There, pneumonia diagnosed, oxygen but continuing decline in symptoms...
Hacking cough, fever etc etc. I was very ill and a puzzle to the medics...consensus was an immune system assault...slowly recovered.
By the time I had to travel back to Europe again ( January 2020) , the nature of the illness was still a puzzle and I still had ongoing symptoms....
Within weeks of the Covid epidemic and shutdown, GP was reckoning Covid ( still slowly recovering).
BUT... Canada had very "restrictive" rules, instantly in place for the requirement of a "Gold Standard" for testing... So this basic opportunity of data collection and analysis was lost.
I am sure you are aware how Canada has used the Covid "crisi" to best advantage for political ends.
.... With every good wish to you and many others exploring this strange ( and dangerous) muddle between science and politics.
Note: Name included with permission.
Elspeth McVeigh
MSc ( Clinical Epidemiology and Biostatistics) McMaster University, Hamilton , Ontario, Canada.
Note 2: Also, I didn’t publish some of my better testimonials because I wanted to go ahead and publish the story, which was already very long. So I’ll add more in the Comments section in the days to come.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/respiratory-outbreak-investigated-retirement-community-54-residents-fall/story?id=64275865
What about this?
Right. This has not received nearly enough attention or investigation. Could it have been Covid? It fits the timeline from my readers, many who say they were sick before September 2019.
Right. As I say in my piece, I don't believe every person who thinks they had Covid in 2019 or early January 2020, in fact, had Covid. But I do think a percentage of people who were sick did. I place particular emphasis on those people who say they tested "negative" for influenza at the time they were sick. This rules out the flu. I have one email from a doctor who opines that 30 percent of his/her sick patients in this time frame (those who tested negative for flu) very likely had Covid. I think this is a good estimate. Now think of all the people from November 2019 through January 2020 who went to the doctor with flu-like symptoms ... and tested negative for the flu. This would probably be many millions of Americas. Thirty percent of this cohort would be millions of people who were excellent candidates for having Covid. In a future article, I'll report more on this doctor's views. Alas, the doctor does not want to be named or identified so I'll protect his/her identify. I have no doubt many other doctors and nurses in America think the same thing. They just have never publicly said this.
I cannot fault your reasoning at all and I haven't had Covid yet so I am far from being an expert on it.
So I look forward to reading your article.......
I don't know, I live in the UK but (this is going to sound weird) I have saved a stupid amount of bookmarks since Covid started and yesterday I suddenly thought of this story but I couldn't find it in my bookmarks.
Obviously Covid, coronavirus, sheltered housing and all sorts of other keywords did not retrieve the article from my ridiculous number of bookmarks.
Then I tried RESPIRATORY and bingo top of the list!
I did the same as far as bookmarking. Nearly from the beginning I was suspicious of the hysteria and censorship.
Important shit gets PRINT TO PDF and occasionally printed on paper too.
This is as validating as it is fascinating. I thought I had bronchitis in October of 2019 and went to an urgent care clinic. The doctor said my lungs sounded clear and gave me antibiotics. When my breathing became more difficult after that antibiotic cycle, I was prescribed a stronger one. And then a third. By that time, my immune system had collapsed and I was seeing pulmonologists who were baffled by my x-rays and TWICE told me I was dying -- first of lung cancer and then of an autoimmune disorder that was destroying my lungs. I collapsed during a lung function test and underwent a bronchoscopy which revealed what looked like horrible pneumonia of unknown origin. I was told I could no longer work because this newfangled COVID virus was spreading quickly and would surely kill me if I contracted it. The lockdown began two days later and while I was busy updating my will, I gradually recovered. Don't remember when I had the antibody test, but it was negative. Still, I'm nearly certain I had an early case of COVID and doctors used my situation to learn more about a condition that was baffling at that time. I regret getting the so-called vaccine (just the initial two shots), but my boss insisted and I complied. It's comforting to know I wasn't the only one going through hell. When it comes to viruses, I'd rather not be a beta tester.
More important than "who daught COVID" is "who caught the COVID perpetrators?"
In December of 2019 something swept through my team. I finally came down with it towards the end of December but was going to be on leave for 2 weeks anyways. Whatever this was I had a hard time breathing and stopped a few times during the night. Wound up sleeping upright on my couch for a few days. I've had pneumonia and this was worse than that in how the symptoms scared me... it wasn't until one Covid symptom was described that I figured I was an "early adopter" I lost my sense of smell for a while.
Sounds like a possible or probable case to me, RWB. Thanks for posting. Where do you live? I guess you never went to the doc and got a flu test?
Here is another "antibody positive" testimonial I just received in the Reader Comments after my Dec. 16 story. From testimonials included in the above story, at least seven people say they later got positive antibody results. These people can be added to the list of my previous tally of 17 people I had identified as later testing positive for antibodies. I also just found another lady from the UK who says she later tested positive for antibodies after being HOSPITALIZED in November 2019 (See Substack article). So my early list of 17 people has now grown by nine other people (including the below testimonial). It's surreal, but I really think I am the only journalist in the world who is trying to keep up with people who fit this profile (sick before February 2020 and later got a positive antibody test).
This is from "Mark" (I've asked for Mark's last name):
We were in our local pub (semi-rural UK) on NYE 2019 and literally everyone had a cough. I had a really horrible cough and felt generally awful. My breathing was laboured and I ended up at a local NHS walk-in a few days later - which was packed with people with similar symptoms. The doctor saw me and my sats were very low but there was no sign of chest infection. They couldn’t explain the illness but thankfully, they gave me dexamethasone which helped (I have a history of mild asthma). A few days later I had to go off to New York for work - I really shouldn’t have gone, and I joke now about being patient zero in NYC!
It took me a long time to recover and I felt awful for months afterwards and had some knock on health problems as a result. Before I was red-pilled I had the antibody tests for Covid and they confirmed that I had them - this was almost 6 months after I got sick.
Covid was definitely circulating in the latter half of 2019. I’ve got mountains of personal and anecdotal evidence that says so."
UPDATE: I just received an email from Tracy Beanz, the publisher of the outstanding website UncoverDC.com, reminding me that this she and her website published a major story on “early spread” on April 5, 2020 - far earlier than any other news organization did. Tracy was also the ONLY publisher who agreed to publish my own stories on “early spread.” This after I had submitted my first big story to more than 25 well-known news organizations. I have since had many Covid stories published at this site. I hope everyone would consider supporting a site that is not afraid to report taboo stories.
Here’s the bullet points and links to Tracy’s April 5, 2020 story:
https://www.uncoverdc.com/2020/04/05/could-cdc-data-prove-covid-19-infections-in-november-2019/
- CDC Data supports theory of much earlier COVID infection than has been reported.
Data shows a dramatic spike in “Influenza Like Illness” in certain states as early as November of 2019
- A number of states appear to have already experienced an ILI and made it through to a more stable ILI footing for this time of year
- The US Military participated in the 2019 Military World Games in Wuhan, China between October 18 and October 27 of 2019. Their chartered flights arrive and depart from Seattle-Tacoma International Airport.
- Washington is one of the earliest states to show a spike in ILI, corresponding with the incubation period should the virus have been introduced as the military traveled through Washington to other destinations.
A possible case from late September 2019 in Pennsylvania:
I believe I contracted Covid around Late September but definitely photo documented it on October 1st of 2019. I remember by photo record that i continued to suffer from it well into the end of November. Initially the cold was mostly a fever with head / sinus infection that poured like a waterfall day & night trying to fill up my lungs. The histamine reaction my body was having was unlike ever experienced. Daytime i took decongestants (over the counter like Mucinex) and at night time i tried desperately to dry it up with Benadryl so i could sleep without drowning/choking or coughing to death.
I resorted to sleeping in the slightly downward incline, face down prone so as to avoid fluid getting into my lungs. Worst cold/flu i ever had. In 2020 It was at that time with continuing symptoms I developed a severe nose bleed before Thanksgiving. I resorted to getting my nose cauterized later in 2020 as the bleeding was unpredictable and horrendous. I never got a antigen or antibody test. I also did catch covid again in December of 2021. Mild case with minimal symptoms.
This email respondent gave me an excellent follow-up suggestion:
I enjoyed your article on the 3 specific cases. I’m retired USAF and have many friends who still fly for the commercial airlines. You should look into the airline industry and aircrew members who had flu like symptoms Oct-Dec ‘19. Fairly widespread with all testing negative for Flu A and B.
As a side note, during my annual physical in Mar ‘20, I asked my provider what tests were being performed to determine if some of us had already acquired natural immunity. The answer was none and no plan to do so.
My Comment: This comment actually has relevance to the question of whether pilots and flight attendants should have to get mandatory vaccines. This - and many other responses I have received - strongly suggests many people on commercial airlines, passengers and crew, had already gotten Covid by March 15, 2020.
Another email response from this afternoon:
I am providing information for myself and 2 family members who had Covid in Dec of 2019. I was 54, sick and went to urgent care in Grand Haven, MI on Dec 30th for being tired, feverish, congested, sore throat, Etc. At the same time, my sister 66 and mother 86 went to urgent care also. They treated me like I had a cold, my sister with antibiotics and thought she had asthma and my mom for pneumonia. We all had been together for Christmas with relatives who all flew in from CA, MA, NH and CT with connections through Detroit to northern MI. We were the only ones who got sick of the group and at the exact same time. The three of us stayed later after the holiday and thought we were infected by one of three restaurants we ate in. This is a tourist town area, Leland MI, so others were also from out of state.
My symptoms were milder but weird (loss of taste and smell, fatigue, congestion, cough etc) ... Fatigue lasted for 2 months.
My mom was very sick and weak but started using a Nebulizer right away at home from her personal physician and she eventually recovered at home. My sister had some of my similar symptoms and started using an inhaler but what we noticed is nothing ever worked ....It was unlike any cold or flu I had ever had which is why I went to urgent care.
Now that we have read about other symptoms and experiences, we feel all 3 of us had Covid. None of us has had Covid since.
My sister took an antibody test on May 10th that was negative. (5 months after Covid, not sure of accuracy). I applied for a clinical study with the NIH in April 2020 and outlined my story like above. NIH was recruiting volunteers for at home Covid blood tests. They asked age, sex, race etc and I was never contacted. The email was clinicalstudiesunit@nih.gov. Later, I took an antibody test in July 2020 which was negative (7 months after Covid).
I'll keep adding interesting emails I receive. Here's another one that strongly suggests early spread in China:
In August 2019, we took our usual trip traveling to Japan, Taiwan, Western Australia and Melbourne before returning to the US around August 25th. On all long flights as well as in airport lounges we were surrounded by travelers from China, including Wuhan.
Three days latter our return, we both came down with an illness that had all the Covid symptoms, including the loss of the sense of smell. For me, it evolved into a pneumonia and a long recovery. But my husband also was sick for weeks, with cough persisting over a couple of months. During my illness, I was in a collaboration projects with an academic from North Carolina who made a similar trip in September and had the same symptoms.
We never got tested for antibodies, so any conclusions in our case are pure conjecture, of course. But neither of us got infected during this first stage of the pandemic despite attending conferences with a large number of cases, traveling through the end of March 2020, and being at indoors events where everyone else got infected.
As a background, we are both academics in STEM disciplines.
You can see why they were so desperate to keep us all from talking to each other. It seemed like almost everyone I know was either sick or had someone close to them who was sick with some "new flu" around Thanksgiving, Christmas, or New Year's in 2019-2020. We know there were people in the community who had been to the World Games in China in October.
I certainly caught COVID this past July. I had ivermectin on hand and it's benefits were felt with about three hours of taking the med. It still had me down for three days. I've strongly suspected that I had caught COVID before. During the last week of October 2019. These two bouts had very similar symptoms - aches, brain fog and massive fatigue for months afterwards. The thing about the first time having these symptoms was that two days before I got sick I spent a day at Great Lakes Naval Base right outside of Chicago. This was a few weeks after the military games held in Wuhan.