That's one thing I haven't researched in any kind of depth but should. There's probably not that many sources and nobody who might know anything is talking.
The articles were there tho; IDK if they’ve disappeared or if the authors would talk now but your thesis is early spread so it’s worth looking back even further than fall 2019 if evidence is there? When those journalists were reporting in those articles, they were utterly uncorrupted because the narrative was not even close to being “set” for political purposes. They might not talk now, but at the time they were doing untainted, pure reporting of facts on the ground in June or July 2019. Just my very simple opinion
It lists the first death by date of death as 2 Feb 2020. This is way too soon after the 29th Jan as earliest cases and must mean that it was in the UK at least a few weeks before this death.
FWIW I became sick with a flu like illness in early August 2019. Made me pretty useless for about 10 days. As it was highly unusual ( first time ever in summer ) to have these types of symptoms at this time of year, I put it down to picking up a virus in the sea a few days before. This was a couple of miles from the port of Felixstowe, which is one of the main container ports in the UK. I had Covid again earlier this year and had the exact same set of symptoms, though much milder ( had to lay down for half an hour one day )
Thanks, Posh Panic. Very interesting and definitely germane to this topic. One of my main take-aways on "early spread" is that we aren't going back far enough on our timelines of possible origination dates.
Good point, SK. It's very significant she was hospitalized and thus might have had stored samples of some kind that could have further "confirmed" this diagnosis ... if virus sleuths went back and asked for these samples - which they never do. Which is a "tell" about the true nature of these early-spread "investigations" IMO.
When anyone tests positive for antibodies and says she was sick in November or Dec. 2019, the first response from officials or naysayers is "Oh, she didn't have Covid then. She had something else and her positive antibody test was just because she had an asymptomatic case after that."
But here's what I've learned that makes this scenario highly unlikely (although possible). First it takes 10 to 14 days for detectable levels of antibodies to even form after the "onset of symptoms." This lady got her antibody test around April 27th, which means the earliest she could have had this asymptomatic case was around April 10-13. She doesn't report if she tested negative for IgM antibodies and positive for IgG antibodies but I bet she did. Every "early spread" candidate I've researched was actually negative for the IgM antibodies. That's the antibody that you get first but it fades and is undetectable in 30 days. Assuming she was negative for IgM and positive for IgG this pushes the earliest she could have had that asymptomatic case back to around March 13th. Well, hardly anyone was testing positive for Covid around March 13th if we believe the official story.
And this lady still had antibodies but must have had an asymptomatic case. That's 50-50. So she was sick enough to be in ICU in November 2019 with all the Covid symptoms - and didn't have Covid .... but she did have it sometimes around late February or early March 2020. She just didn't know she had it.
Also, per my experience, people who have severe cases tend to have antibodies that last much longer and show up on the tests longer. Her IgG antibodies would have still been detectable five months after she had severe symptoms. Which is very possible and very common with people who went through severe cases.
In short, it's far more likely she had Covid in November 2019, when she actually thinks she had it. If she really did have it, officials could have kept testing her to see how long her antibodies lasted. But they of course didn't do this. Nobody even contacted her to investigate her claim. I still think officials don't want to find and confirm any cases of "early spread" ... a point I'll develop further with my next article ... unless I find another possible case in some Reader Comment section.
It’s on the Audacy app under WTIC. He was on 12-2 EST
Did you see the name I sent you in the other piece you did. It’s the exec producer for Tucker. He can be reached on linked in. If you have trouble doing that I can do the reach out as I have a company provided more advanced version of Linked in
Bill I may have missed it but did you have any success getting your research to Tuckers Exec Producer. On our local talk radio today was a college Bio Chem Professor as a guest that talked about genetic evidence of fall Covid.
Covid 19 was in Italy in mid:2019, as lots of blood samples ( kept from Italians with lung probs in 2019) , were tested, to see if any had antibodies to SARS cov2 ,from memory approx 10% did have. There is a large Chinese community in Northern Italy and lots of Europeans go skiing in Northern Italy. I live in UK,Several of my friends had serious flue like illnesses Christmas 2019,one had a neighbour back from a holiday in China another from skiing.
There are many other countries inc US where retrospective blood sample testing has found antibodies to SARS cov2 from 2019, and it is generally thought by many Scientific Substack authors that when Event 21 ( supposed Pandemic Preparedness) happened ,the WHO, etc,already knew the virus was spreading round the world in 2019. 😊
Why must some unknown person have infected her? I got a variant at the end of December 2021, and hadn't been in contact for a good week with anyone except someone who hadn't been ill for a year. (He seems to have gotten the original COVID even earlier than I did.) Several acquaintances, miles apart, and not in contact, got it at the same time. I can only suspect it came from biotrail spraying. Though you have a point; if something like that spread, others should also have suffered even if none of them got it from any of the others.
Still believing it was in the States by summer 2019 re Ft Detrick / nursing home illnesses in same area ☺️
That's one thing I haven't researched in any kind of depth but should. There's probably not that many sources and nobody who might know anything is talking.
The articles were there tho; IDK if they’ve disappeared or if the authors would talk now but your thesis is early spread so it’s worth looking back even further than fall 2019 if evidence is there? When those journalists were reporting in those articles, they were utterly uncorrupted because the narrative was not even close to being “set” for political purposes. They might not talk now, but at the time they were doing untainted, pure reporting of facts on the ground in June or July 2019. Just my very simple opinion
Yes, it was spreading much earlier than admitted. Thank you for the article.
https://palexander.substack.com/p/italy-giovanni-apolone-unexpected?l
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935122013068?
Thanks for the links.
I have more. I have been following this for a while. As you are aware, the official narrative is horseshit on numerous levels related to COVID.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0300891620974755?
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/12/e1004/6012472?
I'm not sure if this is useful, but the UK CV dashboard has the early "official" data.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nation&areaName=England
It lists the first death by date of death as 2 Feb 2020. This is way too soon after the 29th Jan as earliest cases and must mean that it was in the UK at least a few weeks before this death.
FWIW I became sick with a flu like illness in early August 2019. Made me pretty useless for about 10 days. As it was highly unusual ( first time ever in summer ) to have these types of symptoms at this time of year, I put it down to picking up a virus in the sea a few days before. This was a couple of miles from the port of Felixstowe, which is one of the main container ports in the UK. I had Covid again earlier this year and had the exact same set of symptoms, though much milder ( had to lay down for half an hour one day )
Thanks, Posh Panic. Very interesting and definitely germane to this topic. One of my main take-aways on "early spread" is that we aren't going back far enough on our timelines of possible origination dates.
Since she was in the ICU, she must have been tested beyond Influenza. Would be interesting to know what else they did or if they stored her blood.
Good point, SK. It's very significant she was hospitalized and thus might have had stored samples of some kind that could have further "confirmed" this diagnosis ... if virus sleuths went back and asked for these samples - which they never do. Which is a "tell" about the true nature of these early-spread "investigations" IMO.
When anyone tests positive for antibodies and says she was sick in November or Dec. 2019, the first response from officials or naysayers is "Oh, she didn't have Covid then. She had something else and her positive antibody test was just because she had an asymptomatic case after that."
But here's what I've learned that makes this scenario highly unlikely (although possible). First it takes 10 to 14 days for detectable levels of antibodies to even form after the "onset of symptoms." This lady got her antibody test around April 27th, which means the earliest she could have had this asymptomatic case was around April 10-13. She doesn't report if she tested negative for IgM antibodies and positive for IgG antibodies but I bet she did. Every "early spread" candidate I've researched was actually negative for the IgM antibodies. That's the antibody that you get first but it fades and is undetectable in 30 days. Assuming she was negative for IgM and positive for IgG this pushes the earliest she could have had that asymptomatic case back to around March 13th. Well, hardly anyone was testing positive for Covid around March 13th if we believe the official story.
And this lady still had antibodies but must have had an asymptomatic case. That's 50-50. So she was sick enough to be in ICU in November 2019 with all the Covid symptoms - and didn't have Covid .... but she did have it sometimes around late February or early March 2020. She just didn't know she had it.
Also, per my experience, people who have severe cases tend to have antibodies that last much longer and show up on the tests longer. Her IgG antibodies would have still been detectable five months after she had severe symptoms. Which is very possible and very common with people who went through severe cases.
In short, it's far more likely she had Covid in November 2019, when she actually thinks she had it. If she really did have it, officials could have kept testing her to see how long her antibodies lasted. But they of course didn't do this. Nobody even contacted her to investigate her claim. I still think officials don't want to find and confirm any cases of "early spread" ... a point I'll develop further with my next article ... unless I find another possible case in some Reader Comment section.
It’s on the Audacy app under WTIC. He was on 12-2 EST
Did you see the name I sent you in the other piece you did. It’s the exec producer for Tucker. He can be reached on linked in. If you have trouble doing that I can do the reach out as I have a company provided more advanced version of Linked in
Bill I may have missed it but did you have any success getting your research to Tuckers Exec Producer. On our local talk radio today was a college Bio Chem Professor as a guest that talked about genetic evidence of fall Covid.
No. I haven't tried again. If you have any good contacts let me know. I would have loved to hear that radio show.
Covid 19 was in Italy in mid:2019, as lots of blood samples ( kept from Italians with lung probs in 2019) , were tested, to see if any had antibodies to SARS cov2 ,from memory approx 10% did have. There is a large Chinese community in Northern Italy and lots of Europeans go skiing in Northern Italy. I live in UK,Several of my friends had serious flue like illnesses Christmas 2019,one had a neighbour back from a holiday in China another from skiing.
There are many other countries inc US where retrospective blood sample testing has found antibodies to SARS cov2 from 2019, and it is generally thought by many Scientific Substack authors that when Event 21 ( supposed Pandemic Preparedness) happened ,the WHO, etc,already knew the virus was spreading round the world in 2019. 😊
Why must some unknown person have infected her? I got a variant at the end of December 2021, and hadn't been in contact for a good week with anyone except someone who hadn't been ill for a year. (He seems to have gotten the original COVID even earlier than I did.) Several acquaintances, miles apart, and not in contact, got it at the same time. I can only suspect it came from biotrail spraying. Though you have a point; if something like that spread, others should also have suffered even if none of them got it from any of the others.
I hadn't considered that possibility. Thanks for mentioning it!
Since you brought up spraying, I'll share this:
https://stevekarpmd.substack.com/p/covid-or-not-covid-that-is-the-question