Rogan’s RFK interview is full of vitally-important taboo info

I read the transcript of the 3-hour interview and these points jumped out at me.

Joe Rogan deserves great credit for giving RFK, Jr. 3 hours to discuss Kennedy’s background and his positions on “vaccines.” I’d watched portions of this interview, but finally read transcripts of the entire interview. I’m glad I did and hope more citizens do the same thing.

Yesterday, I spent several hours reading the transcript of the 3-hour interview RFK, Jr. recently did with Joe Rogan. The conversation was fascinating. Any U.S. citizen interested in more detailed information on Kennedy’s thoughts can simply watch this interview (a link to the Rogan episode and a transcript are included in this article which summarizes the interview).

I particularly recommend the final paragraphs of the CHD article, where Kennedy talks about the mothers of autistic children who finally convinced him to look into a possible connection between vaccines and autism.

Here are highlights that jumped out to me after reading transcripts of the entire interview:

• Kennedy said (again) that he's NOT running on the "vaccine issue" and only talks about vaccines when specifically asked a question about them by an interviewer. 

• However, he did say he’s not going to dodge a legitimate question when asked. He also said that he didn't plan on doing any more in-depth interviewers like this in the future, suggesting this conversation with Rogan should provide sufficient answers on why and how he got so interested in the vaccine issue … an intellectual quest which later informed his conviction that  the  entire public health establishment has become brazenly and shockingly corrupt and captured. 

• Kennedy said alarms went off when he had a phone conversation with Dr. Paul Offit about mercury in vaccines and caught this extremely-influential vaccine booster in an obvious lie. Kennedy also noted that this man said he would get back to him with specific scientific studies that backed up his vaccine autism point (that there was bad "mercury" and "safe" mercury). Kennedy said this revered scientist never did provide the promised study(ies). 

• Kennedy also recounts a similar conversation with Dr. Fauci, who told Kennedy that he would provide germane studies on some topic Kennedy had challenged Fauci on .... and Fauci never followed through.

One of Kennedy’s main points is that whenever he wanted to see the published peer-reviewed scientific studies backing different conclusions of the Science Establishment ... the members of the Scientific Establishment couldn't and didn't do this. 

Kennedy also notes he personally knows and had spoken to many leading authorities in the public health bureaucracies and he always got the impression these leaders had not read any of the scientific studies that Kennedy had read. They weren't even familiar with these studies.

On censorship and no debates …

• Rogan talked a good bit about censorship and how he (Rogan) had been maligned and intentionally discredited for comments he’d made. Almost as an aside, Kennedy noted that he had been censored for "18 years" (!)

• ...  Kennedy also said that nobody has ever debated him on these topics, and cited examples of "debates" or events that were supposed to happen and never did. 

• One such “debate” was supposed to be Kennedy vs. one of these alleged science authorities at a hearing in the Connecticut Senate (if memory serves, on the autism question).

• According to Kennedy, a Connecticut elected official asked Kennedy to participate in a hearing with this other authority. Later, Kennedy was told it would be him vs. two executives, then three, then four. 

• Kennedy, as it turns out, would only get six minutes to make his points. Still, Kennedy  said (paraphrasing): “This is not fair, but okay. I'll be there." The debate/testimony was later cancelled - after Kennedy had flown “on the red-eye” to Connecticut on his own dime to participate. Nobody told him why this hearing with him was cancelled. Kennedy just assumes someone told these people to NOT debate RFK, Jr. This scenario should sound very familiar today. (Think the "Hotez debate.”)

• I found Kennedy’s points about the explosion of autism to be very convincing. His main point is that nobody his age (or my age) grew up with anyone who had the severe autism that is common with many children today.
  
  Kennedy does note that observations such as this do NOT equal scientific “causation” or “correlation” … but when so many mothers of autistic children keep reaching the same conclusion, this should be enough anecdotal evidence to launch serious and real scientific studies and genuine scientific investigations, Kennedy argues.

• Kennedy's points about VAERS picking up only a tiny fraction of vaccine injuries and deaths are very persuasive and important. (This is the topic of one of my next articles, which will highlight the fact Ed Dowd’s work on “all-cause excess” deaths is STILL being ignored by the mainstream media - 18 months after Dowd, among others, began to highlight this.)

Regarding Kennedy’s book on Dr. Fauci ….

• Regarding his book The Real Anthony Fauci, Kennedy notes that the book sold more than one million copies in its "first three months." Oddly (to me), Kennedy said he doesn't know how many copies this book sold after this because he hasn't looked at the numbers.

• I've been curious about the book’s cumulative sales figure as every story I can find on the book says only that it "sold more than one million copies." 

• This is certainly a true statement, but I wonder if the book might have sold at least two million copies by now. Kennedy also points out that nobody at mainstream “news” organizations reviewed the book and very few "independent" book-sellers ever stocked the book in their stores (a point I made in a recent column.)  Also, for some reason, lists of “best-selling” books often omitted The Real Anthony Fauci from these sales rankings.

• The above anecdotes should tell the public that most owners of book stores (and the “free press”) believe in banning certain books (more specifically, they don’t stock or mention books that question the prevailing orthodoxy).

• Question: How many copies of The Real Anthony Fauci would have been sold if this book had been available in bookstores all over the world (like other big best-sellers)? Would this have made a difference and perhaps saved lives? 

Note: Joe Rogan said his entire thinking about vaccines, public health and Kennedy changed dramatically after he did read this book. Question: Think if Rogan had not read this book. He probably would have never had Kennedy on his show and Rogan probably would never have become one of the leading contrarian voices on the “authorized narrative.” This shows the power of the written word or of one book … and why such a book had to be censored.

• According to Kennedy, the vast majority of the book's sales came from just one source - Amazon. (Authors like Naomi Wolf and many other skeptics of the official narratives have also published “taboo” Covid books. This question also occurs to me: How many additional copies of these books would have been sold if readers interested in these topics had seen them and been able to buy them if they had been available in local bookstore? (I guess this is another “unknown unknowable.”)

* Rogan made interesting points about how other podcasters are seemingly being bullied with the threat of "de-platforming" or "de-monetization" if the hosts of these shows invite contrarian Covid speakers onto their shows as guests (including Rogan himself).

* Rogan mentioned that he knows several comedian friends who think like he does, which he suggests helped him maintain his sanity in these New Normal Covid times. Kennedy later asked Rogan (paraphrasing), "Who are these people? I haven't heard any stand-up comedians doing gigs where they poke fun of this Covid madness." The Kimmels and Colberts of the world were (and still are) all singing from the same "authorized narrative" hymnal.

• Kennedy provides a good bit of detail about his life as an environmental lawyer and how he and his allies in his cause helped clean up the Hudson River waterways. It was his belief that mercury was getting into fish that later led him to believe that the same toxic mercury (far more dangerous than lead, according to Kennedy) was being injected into children with their mandatory vaccines. 

• According to Kennedy, this was a point that mothers kept making to him at Kennedy’s speaking engagements. Finally, one of these mothers showed up at his house, dropped an 18-inch pile of documents on his door step and told Kennedy she wasn’t leaving until he read these documents. 

• Kennedy read them … and the rest is … history …. History that also explains why Robert Kennedy, Jr. is now the No. 1 threat to the Big Pharma/Medicine/Science establishment. It also explains how a once popular liberal environmental lawyer almost instantly became a pariah to the Establishment and a conspiracy-spreading, wacko kook. 

Defining “the experts,” and which ones we’re not supposed to listen to …

• Kennedy notes that he has filed “hundreds” of lawsuits and every one of them deal with “science.” Regarding the narrative that everyone should  “trust the science and the experts,” Kennedy makes a great point in his conversation with Rogan:

• Every lawsuit he has ever been a part of includes “experts” … from both sides. Kennedy gives an example of one big environmental lawsuit where the defendants called experts from prestigious academic institutions like Harvard, Stanford and Yale as witnesses. But the plaintiffs also called “expert” witnesses who were professors at the same colleges. So the obvious question is: What “experts” are more credible? This, Kennedy says, is for a jury to decide (and plenty of juries sided with Kennedy’s experts).

Kennedy also pointed out that almost all of the "new" vaccines since the late '80s allegedly "protect" children from diseases that do not pose a real health risk to them. He gave the example of the Hepatitis B vaccine newborns get at the hospital. Kennedy pointed out this is a “vaccine” to allegedly provide “protection” against a disease that might affect only a few of these children 16 to 30 years later - if they became a prostitute or a needle drug user. 

I thought Kennedy was also very persuasive, making his point that advancements in nutrition, sanitation and "engineering" almost completely explain the disappearance of most childhood or adult diseases in the last century or so (for example, refrigeration.)

This leads people like me to conclude that the Mother of All medical scams might be the one that tells us that  "vaccines" are the wonder-drug of our times and have saved millions of lives. This is almost certainly a “false” or at least “dubious” narrative. (But a profitable one for Big Pharma).

The “95-percent effective” canard …

Yet another fascinating segment was when Kennedy explains the "95 percent effective" canard.  He points out that the best metric flowing from Pfizer's limited safety trials  should have been the conclusion that it takes 22,000 doses of Covid vaccine to (maybe) prevent one “Covid” death. 

If this is the case (and it apparently is), "You better be sure that vaccine isn't causing any deaths,” Kennedy states.  As Kennedy points out, in the Pfizer trials only three people died from Covid in the ensuing six months - one person in the "vaccinated" group, and two in the "unvaccinated" group. 

However, four or five more people in the "vaccinated" group later died from "all causes." But identifying deaths from "any cause" was not a goal of the study. (It took a Freedom of Information request and a judge’s ruling to release this key information to the public … something Pfizer didn’t want to do for 75 years).

So trial participants had a much greater chance of dying (from any cause) if they’d received the Covid vaccine than if they had not been vaccinated.  Question asked by Kennedy: Shouldn’t this data point/finding have been the big headline and enough to stop the vaccines?

Regarding the “vaccines-cause autism” theory, Kennedy does not definitively or categorically blame just vaccines. He seems to be saying many factors probably explain this - including vaccines.

Kennedy notes that when he was a child he received three childhood vaccines. Today, children MUST get 72 shots (from 16 vaccines). Kennedy also noted that five of his children suffer from food allergies, something that also was almost unheard of when Kennedy was growing up.

1986 law changed everything that followed …

Kennedy also did a great job explaining how Big Pharma got immunity from vaccine lawsuits, per hugely-significant legislation passed in the Reagan administration in 1986. This gave Big Pharma a license to make "billions of dollars," Kennedy argues.

All Pharma companies had to do was come up with a new "vaccine" and make sure this vaccine got placed on the childhood immunization schedule (which apparently was a sure-thing). 

I also found it interesting that RFK, Jr. acknowledges that his own uncle, Sen. Ted Kennedy - who was chairman of an important Senate Health Committee at the time - helped pass this world-changing legislation. That is, it wasn't just President Reagan who made this possible; it was the Democrats in Congress too - including his own uncle.

Kennedy also debunks the accepted wisdom that vaccines are “safe” by pointing out the whole reason this legislation was passed into law was because vaccines are obviously not (always) safe. Vaccines are inherently unsafe - this is why the industry needed legal immunity from lawsuits to keep producing them, says Kennedy.

Main take-away …

My main-take away from this in-depth interview is how well Kennedy knows this material. During this 3-hour interview, Kennedy didn't refer to any notes. He cited study after study from memory. He had read these studies - critically - and quickly identified the holes and likely cover-ups in them.

I’m convinced this is the real reason no expert or authority will debate someone like Kennedy (or, for example, Steve Kirsch). They all know Kennedy knows this material better than they do. And they all know that they can't answer Kennedy's key questions.

Hopefully, more people will take the time to watch this 3-hour interview or read the transcripts. If they do, they’ll see that Kennedy is not some crazy "kook." I also commend Joe Rogan for giving RFK, Jr. this 3-hour platform to express his views and more fully discuss these life-and-death public health issues.