... Also, of the three Rice members who got sick with Covid-like symptoms in January 2020, zero of us later got Covid ... which suggests we very possibly had acquired natural immunity.
I caught a serious flu like illness while visiting So Calif in early December 2019. I returned to Oregon and fought it off for the next couple of weeks. When the Covid stories broke I wondered if I’d had an early case but everyone told me it couldn’t have been Covid because it didn’t arrive here in the states until later.
As Covid spread thru the country I heard many stories of people who were convinced they’d already had the bug but were told it was impossible.
I’ve often thought an interesting research project would be to survey those who insisted they’d already had an early case, before the official start date, and determine if they had ever caught Covid at a later time.
As for me, I have remained Covid free. I refused to get the shots, despite serious pressure from family members. I’ve been no fan of any vaccinations for a long time. And for this one in particular, my logic just told me to avoid it.
So here I am at 74 years old, no vax but possible natural immunity. And gearing up to resist whatever new poison the powers that be decide they need to give us.
I have made many posts proposing exactly the study you mention, Susan. Just study the people who think they had early Covid and see how many got Covid later (compared to those who were not sick earlier). I've heard from several friends who think they had early Covid - they also never got later Covid.
There's an obvious reason such a study has never been done and will never be done - "never investigate that which you don't want to confirm."
I was full time on twitter reading into early (acknowledged) covid in 2020, as it grew in Washington state. Lots of people were dropping into threads asking about symptoms, saying they thought they had something like that in 2019 or v early 2020, or knew someone who died. My memory was people in California asking these questions
No - I remember seeing the very early 'nextstrain' genetic trees - there was strain detected in a US person that genetically preceded the Wuhan market collection. It might have been a military person - perhaps someone returning from the military games over there.
Why lockdowns would have NEVER worked. It was already here and spreading and actually probably made spread worse in some areas. Piling up cut trees and furniture to block roads and posting guards at the entrances to medieval villages didn’t either. Have humans even evolved much past that? Looking around me—not so much.
Feb 2018 for me, in Southern Indiana. I could have checked most of the covid-like symptoms including post viral syndrome, lasting strongly for 3 months but flaring intermittently for a year. Then offspring and husband had something in late fall of 2019, after we had moved to north Idaho. Fatigue, aches, pains, loss of taste/smell. None of us have been seriously ill since then, also uninjected.
Miss direction keeps the masses confused and denying a virus exists just keeps the fog level high. A virus replicates in human lung cells etc. and is expressed via respiratory expression and the droplets are inhaled by a susceptible human and the cycle is repeated. If major co-morbidities exists, the risk of dying increases. My view.
After many weeks investigating and researching my “early spread” hypothesis, I wrote what I incorrectly thought was a blockbuster exclusive on a couple from Sylacauga, Alabama who I think definitely had Covid in December 2019.
Tim McCain had a severe case and was in a Birmingham ICU unit for 24 days and nearly died. His wife was also very sick around Christmas. Both Tim and Brandie later tested positive for antibodies. Tim only got one antibody test, but his wife had at least three different positive tests.
The McCains were temporarily living at a friend’s house when they became ill. Regarding the “contagious” question, I note that everyone in the house got sick at the same time - both McCains, their two teenage children and the man who owned the house (who was as “sick as I’ve been in my life.”) Brandie’s boss also developed Covid symptoms at the same time.
As Brandie told me in a quote I included in my story (finally published by UncoverDC.com):
“It seems like everybody in town” was experiencing flu-like symptoms in December and January.
So what happened in Sylacuaga- two hours from Troy - also happened in my town.
The only other rational explanation for all of this is a mass poisoning event using biological weapons that shed from person to person hence they are contagious but quickly peter out. I am going to sit on the fence for a while longer if you don't mind?
The theory that the flu shots might have caused outbreaks and then sicknesses in 2019-2020 and 2020-2021 definitely deserves serious and honest investigation IMO.
Nobody who got sick in our family had received the flu shot, but that doesn't mean we couldn't have contracted a bug/virus from half of the population that had. And I've learned that the flu shot of 2019-2020 was different than previous flu shots.
There was an extraordinary out of season 'flu' in Western Australia in conjunction with the 'flu shots' in April/May/June 2019, resulting in a lot of deaths. It was quickly nipped in the bud - it may have just been bad flu shots rather than something promoting infection, since it didn't seem to transmit across to the rest of Australia. But I don't rule out some kind of 'pre-covid trial in the aged care homes. There was a pretty-bad novel cold/flu here at the end of 2018 - kept getting worse for 7 days - didn't know if I was going to get better.
we might never know. but this is not the first time something goes around. Remember as kids, the whole class got sick with measles almost at once. So for those that think contagious disease, whatever you call the item that causes it, do exist. That time my ex came home it was quite obvious he brought it home from a sick colleague and it transmitted to me in about 2 hours. Those that only believe environment causes might have a hard time explaining that.
I am still on the fence on that one as well because it does seem obvious by observation but then you test it in the lab and nothing is contagious! Just weird that one.
It's almost as bad as those quantum slit experiments, isn't it?
I've just been through a two-week bout of something very COVID-like. My wife went out and spent 30 minutes in a taxi driven by a woman who was recovering from it. Her whole family had been down with fever, tiredness, sore throat, and tummy trouble. The next day my wife developed symptoms and I followed a day after. We didn't spread it any further because our normal life is quite isolated and it was no trouble for us to just hunker down.
A similar thing happened in 2015 when along with our dog we both caught a norovirus infection from a visit to a veterinarian, and in December 2018 when we both brought back what I assume was influenza A/H1pdm09. That was my worst flu ever.
Before we turned 55, if I caught a cold or flu, she would never get it, and vice versa. But since then, we have always share our bugs. The simplest explanation is that our immune systems are no longer as capable of seeing off viruses without symptoms as they used to be.
I'm also sitting on the fence about the existence of viruses. But if they don't exist, what are all those thousands of people in white coats doing when they are testing, analyzing and categorizing all those different strains?
I'm also intrigued by JJ. Couey's infectious clone idea. That could account for some of the early COVID-19 outbreaks and how they fizzled out.
Groves's Law (which I've just made up): Any sufficiently advanced scientific technique looks like gobbledegook to the laity.
OK. But I do have a question for you = if it was a mass poisoning event what about other epidemics throughout history? Black Plague in 1300s comes to mind. It was all throughout Europe and both peasants and royalty had it. In those days royalty and peasants ate very different food and diets. So how could that have been a mass poisoning then? And all throughout an entire continent?
The Plague was not a virus but a bacteria. They can cause pandemics through mainly poor sanitation but since clean toilets and antibiotics there have been no pandemics. Viral pandemics are impossible and are usually a cover for mass democide. The Spanish Flu has no evidence whatsoever of it being worldwide and was poising by the government using huge quantities of aspirin by the handful mostly in the military.
Poisonings can be done in a myriad of ways, water food, spraying, nasal swabs, air conditioning take your pick.
Dr. Fauci can go suck rocks. He's the same idjit who killed 17,000 men in 1980s with AZT which he said would cure AIDS - it didn't, they died. Some of them were good friends of mine. Husband is a virologist/immunologist for 50 yrs, worked in PUblic Health Dept. of PA adivising public on how to handle disease epidemics, etc. and was working there during 1980s AIDS epidemic. My info comes from him but I also remember it coming out about AZT in 1980s. Fauci is deep state and one of the worst mass murderers to ever walk the earth.
Don't forget electricity... even the rare solar flares back during history.
Check out "The Invisible Rainbow" by Arthur Firstenberg.
Re Spanish Flu: Many people don't realize that (whatever it was) hit many countries all at the same time, long before we had quick methods of travel - when it took weeks or months to traverse the ocean to another continent.
Likely US cases were caused by vax shots.
Was it even truly worldwide, or did they "create" a scamdemic as they did with Covid? Reclassifying, making things up etc
It does depend whether you are using the old definition of a pandemic, in that case we have not had one for hundreds of years. If you are using the new Orwellian description of a pandemic by the WHO then almost everything ever is now a pandemic!
I understand a myriad of process like dyes and chemical manipulation must be done to “see” them. what if that changes what they see and then are misidentified from exosomes? Apparently they can’t take these and infect anyone so I don’t think we should be so sure about this. I’m on the fence. Very intriguing in any case. The massive amount of fraud and outright lying about everything keeps cynical but interested.
I agree. And what about syphilis, which spread like wildfire throughout Europe (and beyond) immediately after Columbus's first journey to the New World? It spread very quickly via vast armies and the enormous numbers of professional prostitues which accompanied those enormous armies during the massive, incessant wars of the 1500s. An even more malignant form of syphilis was spread throughout Europe (and beyond) during the many years of the French Revolutionary Wars, i.e. the Napoleonic Wars. The clinical and humanly devastating manifestations of syphilis became even more horrifying than they'd previously been around that time (i.e. the early 1800s.)
Read POX: Genius, Madness, and the Mysteries of Syphilis by Deborah Hayden for more information about this hideous, horrible human disease. POX was published in 2003 by Basic Books, and is available in paperback.
Caveat: The "parasite," or more specifically, the bacterium (called a "spirochete" due to its cork-like shape when viewed under a light microscope) is not a virus. But the "no virus" cohort often imply that there is no such thing as contagion from ANY kind of pathogenic micro-organism, whether viral, bacterial, or fungal, or from any other kind of microscopic organism, e.g. other kinds of single-celled micro-organisms, some of which are obligate parasites, such as plasmodium, which causes malaria.
Fence sitting is of course acceptable, but please allow me to add that theirs is an absolutely classic case of what we now know as Covid, complete with somewhat delayed abrupt worsening due to activation of the complement cascade. It’s not the virus itself (or whatever it is) that kills you; it’s the body’s response. Likewise, to those who claim that Covid is “just a cold” (and is in many, especially with more recent variants), please don’t overlook those who rapidly become acutely ill from a virus (or whatever it is) with a whole different skill set from the usual flu. I vote virus.
The 'delayed abrupt worsening' was a very interesting and novel feature of covid.
In my standard response to anything I got a fever which held the virus at bay. But after about 3 or 4 days my body was starting to suffer from the fever and shut it down. I felt good for about half a day but it gave the virus a chance to multiply - lost sense of smell and got a thick cough. And then maybe a cytokine storm set in - my heart rate went a bit wild - I had to consciously slow everything down with deliberate relaxation exercise to bring the wild immune response down. By then it was getting to 7 days and my immune system had solved the problem.
I definitely got 'something' in February 2020 in Western Australia that felt like I had been poisoned. I lost my sense of taste and smell for 6 months and had a full body rash. No respiratory symptoms, only a slight fever and still to this day have no idea what it was. (I have never 'tested' for covid in any way and unjabbed ofc). I am open to all sorts of hypothesis about what I had - it was very, very weird.
If you think you or someone you know might have had “early Covid,” join the crowd. Here’s two stories that summarize hundreds of people who think this. It would take you two hours to read both articles, but some of the personal anecdotes are very, very interesting - especially a couple of testimonials from the article in the second link.
I was invited on a podcast where a bunch of "terrain theory" proponents were taking questions. Like you, I've always believed in viruses and contagion. I gave specific examples as you did, and each was systematically "refuted" with one of the following:
*we were all exposed to the same environmental toxins (water, 5G, what have you), which hit our individual "terrains" differently (for example why only 3 of the 4 might get sick) and appeared to be contagion
* we have similar lifestyle factors (in the case of the school, i.e. they're eating the same junk food, which again negatively impacts terrain)
* we *BELIEVE IN CONTAGION* and thus, psychosomatically, make ourselves "sick."
I presented the example of my brother dropping off his (VIOLENTLY ILL BUT HE DIDN'T MENTION THIS BEFORE HE DROPPED HER OFF) child one day in an emergency. Within 24 hours, I and both of my daughters had developed the identical VIOLENTLY ILL symptoms. (My husband wasn't home and thus, was spared.) My daughters were too young (maybe 2 and 4) to have been placebo effected (if you will) by this. Until someone can explain THAT to me, I suppose like you I'll continue to believe in viruses.
The No Virus team don't exactly say that viruses don't exist. What they say is that they haven't been proven to exist using the scientific method. And that is definitely true. If you believe they exist because you see evidence of contagion from personal and others' experience then ok. I mean I have a sense of that myself ... but at the same time it's weird how there's no sort of regularity to the seeming contagion and how do know for sure that it really is a pathogen that's being passed around and not something else responsible?
Petra, in your opinion, have atoms been proven to exist according to the scientific method?
I think it's possible to argue either way. We all know chemists and their test tubes and bunsen burners, and the periodic table, and Brownian motion, and e-ray crystallography, and scanning tunneling microscopy, and mass spectrometry. It's all very impressive and persuasive. But I've never seen or heard or smelt an actual atom in real life, so as far as I'm concerned, atoms remain theoretical constructs in the realm of modeling.
Recently, I've also been pondering more and more whether the scientific method has been proven to exist. A lot of scientists don't seem to follow it very closely.
I really have no idea about atoms and perhaps demanding the "scientific method" as described to prove the existence of viruses might be considered unfair. I'd argue any method that clearly proves something is fine by me. The thing is virology pretends to use the scientific method but doesn't. If virologists said, "Hey we can't use the scientific method, ie, proper controls, for virology because it doesn't fit, we need to use another method," then that's absolutely fine ... but they simply haven't used a viable method. All we have for viruses is that people get sick from something - we don't know what - and we get the impression that they pass that sickness onto others ... sometimes. That's it!
And we know there's not just unwitting fraud happening, there's definitely deliberate fraud happening too. Covid is a psyop from start to finish. There's certainly no evidence of the alleged sars-cov-2.
The 'haven't been proven to exist using the scientific method' is beyond untrue on Every Single Possible Level. Everyday, ordinary studies were culturing of 100s of samples (and probably still are) to determine viral load of people who are sick.
Oh yes we all know virologists culture, Madeleine. Lots of culturing going on in petri dishes containing all manner of substances but that doesn't mean scientific method. Scientific method means using controls and virology doesn't use controls according to the scientific method. Please put forward a paper where it does. I recommend the article linked to for an understanding of how unscientific the process is.
What if... your nephew was exposed to something toxic that he also exposed your family to?
Everyone has their stories of how they "caught" something from someone, especially within a given household (including myself), but I also remember the many times that I or someone in my family somehow didn't get sick while the others were sick. We tend to forgot those times and/or rationalize that away with having a healthy immune system.
The most eloquent explanation I've heard from the terrain theory side of things is by Dr. Andrew Kaufman, but I can't for the life of me find that video. I won't be able to do it justice, but the idea is that our bodies goes through the cycle of the seasons similar to how plants and trees do. The leaves of trees and plants are analogous to our lungs, breathing in and absorbing CO2/O2 along with various of toxins and containment in the air. When autumn and winter come around, the leaves of plants and trees start to brown and ultimately fall to detox what has been accumulated throughout the spring and summer. Similarly, we start detoxing and shedding what we have accumulated during the warm months which we experience as symptoms of being sick. We cough, sneeze, expelling mucus, snot, etc. This would also explain why there is a seasonality of illness and health.
Have you ever heard of the Rosenau experiments conducted in 1919 that tried to document and prove contagion? If not, here is a short video that breaks it down quite nicely and also a link to the actual study:
While I'm not fully convinced that viruses don't exist, I am convinced that they have not been properly isolated similar to how bacteria has been isolated. Either way, I think there is room for both theories. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
All living things are connected in some unfathomable way—Interdependence at a level we can’t conceive of. It is not hard for me to entertain that thought and the ones Dr. Kaufman has opined. I find it exciting and spiritual.
I have heard this argument before (viruses aren't real) and I am convinced it is propaganda planted by groups trying to confuse people. I call them countermeasures. It causes people to get confused and not sure where to draw the line. The release the information "Viruses are going to kill everyone unless you let us protect you with this free shot" and "viruses aren't real" at the same time. Any theories between there are conspiracy theories because the extreme was suggested and proven wrong. No one I know actually believes that they aren't real.
I second this. "Viruses are not real" is a classic propaganda tactic to get us arguing with each other and distract us from doing anything about the problem.
And I will fourth it. In my opinion, the "tone" of some of the proponents of the No Virus theory is exactly the same "tone" as that used by some of the proponents of the Flat Earth theory, not to mention the No Manned Moon Landings theory.
These proponents tend to present their "knowledge" in a slick, smug "cleverer than thou" fashion that suggests they've been trained by the same handlers at some CIA Propaganda School.
Of course, it may be that there are no viruses, the Earth may be flat, and no manned moon landings may have happened. But If I am going to accept that, I am going to have to get there by examining the evidence on my own and listening to and weighing a lot of conflicting opinions. I don't want to be "walked past the sale" by people who talk like they are representing a cult or selling their ideologies aggressively and who have no interest in honest discussion or debate.
Sounds bad for the soul though. That focus. 🤷🏼♀️. There are lots of broken souls around. Not making a comparison to you. Just an observation over time these last 4 years.
It's very difficult, thank you for commenting, and you are absolutely right. I have (especially recently) noticed a catastrophic loss of discernment among many people who have had their nose to the grindstone the past few years.
In other words, many appear to have either lost their marbles overdosing on blackpills or are operating in a state of constant low-grade fear.
I would not have been able to do this unless I let go of a lot of anger and stuck close to Jesus. I write as a form of service to God in a state of repentance.
People getting sick at approximately the same time is an epidemiological observation. The cause of the sickness is what has to be investigated. Many people almost simultaneously get sick from Scurvy, Beri Beri and Pellegra but the causative agent is not a virus. The problem with Covid is that molecular detection tests like PCR and Lateral flow have never been clinically validated for diagnosis. COVID was a mass hysteria caused by worldwide use of invalid diagnostic tests and deep fear.
One theory about why people get sick in the winter (for which there is little incentive by the medical industrial complex to investigate) draws an analogy between trees losing leaves in the fall and what is conventionally regarded as “sickness.” According to this theory, our bodies are triggered by less sunlight and lower humidity to detox all the food and environmental poisons accumulating inside us by getting “sick.” There is a related theory that the kind of incessant fear and widespread panic constantly propagated by the mass media caused psychological illness, which can manifest in physical ways. The point is this: medicine is only interested in illness if a profitable pharmacological treatment is indicated and all other contributing factors are ignored.
I am currently reading a book that is very well sourced and it is persuading me to seriously consider the no virus theory. ( 'Virus Mania' )As a side note I suffered from cold and flu like symptoms for decades usually accompanied by a prolonged cough. Every doctor I saw during that time diagnosised me with a viral infection(usually influenza) and bronchial inflammation.
Over time I realized I had a severe allergy to fruit of all things and it was this causing the symptoms. (Of course when I visited the doctor I was often advised to eat more fresh fruit for the vitamin C!) Since eliminating fruit (especially citrus) from my diet I have never had the flu since. I make these points to demonstrate that many reactions to many substances are indistinguishable from viral infections even by trained professionals.
This whole "viruses do not exist" is a hamster wheel of a distraction. Even our good friend and warrior, Dr. Michael Yeadon, has come out and tepidly supports the "no virus" claim: https://drmikeyeadon.substack.com/
Especially as those claims relate to the SARS-CovV-2 virus.
As to your family's anecdotal experience with what sounds truly like the Wuhan flu (my wife and I both swear we had it in December of '19), no one knows how the spread occurred among your family members. Believing how it spread and knowing how it did are two very disparate possibilities. Bugs: can't live with them; can't live without them.
RNA viruses by their very biological nature are seldom considered capable of creating pandemic-like circumstances. Too much chance for genetic integrity to wane as it reproduces. Something was definitely weird about this particular little monster.
Dr Mike Yeadon (microbiologist / toxicologist whose expertise in respiratory infections and vaccines placed him in his decade long role as VP at Pfizer), is no longer "tepid" in his no-virus stance.
After spending the last 3-4 years doing extensive research, he is now absolutely convinced that there is no such thing as pathogenic viruses, or contagion.
I hope to be able to use logic, reason, and expanding knowledge to better understand Dr. Yeadon's hypothesis on the "no virus" topic. I have a long way to go. Retracting the word "tepid" in my comment is a start. I've read enough of his work to now know that I misrepresented his position. (Sorry that I didn't get to the retraction sooner.) I'll still maintain that it's a distraction (for some, anyway) but a necessary element in our discussions.
I agree. We had several family members and friends get sick early as well including me and I agree with you on viruses as well. I'm very good at quarantine so I have been able to control the spread within my family so I also don't agree with those who say it's spread some other way other than virus. I used to call on labs that were messing around with viruses and I don't believe that we should be doing that at all. They definitely should not be making them more virulent or easily spread - bioweapons!
Thanks Bill. Peter and I both fell debilitatingly ill in January 2020--we live in Ithaca where there is a large student population at Cornell University from China and Peter had several Chinese patients --
We also tested negative for flu (for whatever those tests are worth...) Standard upper respiratory care by our allergist helped us recover after a couple of very rough weeks.
I also respect the first amendment. However I have lessening tolerance for the aggressiveness and spamming that occurs surrounding the 'not a virus' crowd on other people's substack boards in topics unrelated to that subject.
Overall, I am concerned by the amount of attention this issue of virus/no virus draws – it is so often brought up out of context with the examination of the overall totalitarian net being dropped upon the formerly free world that I fear it becomes another distraction from the deeper issues of our freedoms being stripped from us all.
The hypocrisy here is killing me. Both of you claim to respect free speech while blocking and censoring those that don't agree with you on your own substack articles. You claim that you only block those who are aggressive and spammy, but I was neither. If you disagree, please provide the evidence of when any of my comments fit that description.
Breggins also blocked me and I have no idea why. I would really like to talk to them about Australia's use of electroshock therapy.
I have blocked maybe two people - one for saying we must comply with the government and another I suspected was law enforcement. I always write an explanation under the block so people can see.
My mother was hospitalized in late December 2019 until early January 2020. The nurses came in one day giving us all gowns, masks and gloves. We were told that she had a virus that they did not know. Later claiming it was RSV. There were 8 more rooms in the hall that were given masks, etc. My niece had gone on a cruise in early December and was very sick with bronchitis upon returning. Her friend ended up with pneumonia and a collapsed lung. When covid came out the health department came to check her blood. It was determined that she had had covid. This was in North Carolina.
Interesting. You are the second person who has told me NC Department of Health officials were actually, perhaps, investigating early spread. Any more details you can provide, please post here or email me at:
Something environmental like 5G can be causing everyone in a given house and/or large area to get sick. Those controlling the towers would be able to control the strength and duration of those frequencies. Heavy metals and other toxins spread in the air via chemtrails, our foods, or our water systems can also get people sick in mass. These are just some examples.
The more important question is why haven't viruses been properly isolated without having to use monkey kidney cells, antibiotics, and other contaminants similarly to how bacteria is isolated?
No 5G, but massive electrical lines were being rolled out at this time, poisonous gasses of all sorts were being used in the midst of WWI, and soldiers were being mass vaccinated with who knows what. Dr. Sam Bailey goes into great detail about the Spanish Flu Myth that has been shoved into our collective consciousness as the word of God: https://www.bitchute.com/video/km6FoP0O4Ko
Not quite. "Germ Theory" is a hoax, as is contagion.
(Interesting: Look up the original meaning of the words "virus" and "contagion".)
Pathogenic "viruses "don't exist.
Bacteria are Good Guys; they are there to help, to remediate, when there is a problem. When the problem is bad or gets really severe, our bodies increase the bacteria to help fix the problem.
Bacteria are living entities so they create waste. The waste of bacteria is toxic to us, but our bodies can handle that just fine. It's when we get an overabundance of that waste (caused by increase in bacteria, which is there to fix a problem), then we get "sick". (That's why antibiotics relieve symptoms... it eliminates the bacteria, which reduces the toxic waste.... but also why many ppl get sick again if the bacteria didn't get a chance to finishing fixing the problem)
I live in Norway. I am 99% sure that I had covid during Christmas 2019. It was the strangest flu I had ever had. I was in bed for three days, and coughed a dry cough for a week. It was very different to earlier flus and colds. The whole of my family celebrated Christmas together, about 50% of us got sick. In January 2020, there were two different (small) newspaper articles about two teenage boys, from different parts of the country, that had died from the flu. I remember I found that very strange, as my son was the same age, it made an impact on my mind. Thats why I later remembered those little notes. I did of course not get the vaccine, why vaccinate against something that you’ve already had. A bloodtest in 2021 confirmed that I had covid-antibodies. I have only had covid once, as far as I know.
Thanks for sharing that anecdote from Norway. Your story has extra relevance as you later got an antibody test that would seem to show you'd been previously infected - no doubt in December 2019 - when Covid wasn't supposed to be circulating outside of China.
RE: Patriots Unite & Push (PUP) event this Saturday, August 24th.
Here's a quick reminder that the event is just around the corner. Can't wait to see you there! I am a volunteer and will be in the guest check-in area scanning tickets.
Please note: The event will be held at the Von Braun Center in the South Hall Ballroom. (This is a change from the Propst Arena Lobby at the VBC).
Event details:
PUP: Patriots Unite and Push 2024
Von Braun Center- South Hall Ballroom, 700 Monroe St SW, Huntsville, AL 35801, USA
Thanks, Alice. When does it start? I need to drive up early Saturday or get a hotel on Friday night and maybe Saturday night. Huntsville is about a 5-hour-drive from Troy. Can you recommend a good (and affordable) hotel?
Since it appears that you are considering staying Saturday evening, I would like to give you a complimentary ticket to the Honorary Brunch for LTC Theresa Long on Sunday, August 25th. The brunch is from 9am thru 11am at the Rocket City Tavern (2100 Rideout Road, Huntsville, AL 35808). Please let me know if you are interested in this so that I can get a ticket reserved for you.
1) I don't have kids in school, but my coworkers do, and I always thought it was strange to hear they are shutting down the entire school when a few kids get sick. This was never, ever done when I was in school, and I'm sure it wasn't ever done when you were in school either. I can only imagine all of the vaccines have seriously weakened their immune systems.
2) Please tell me you've heard of the Hope-Simpson graph (I'm sure you have - if not http://hsmap.rice.edu/about). It is mind-boggling to me that the NYTimes was still reporting in 2022 in its morning newsletter some version of 'scientists are still baffled at why Covid seems to come and go in waves'. It was obviously linked by seasons of Sun (Vitamin D) deficiency. So with all that, do you parents talk about or provide Vit D supplements to your kids (and yourselves)? Zinc also. I used to suffer from 'wintertime blues', so I started taking Vit D supplements like 25 years ago. I rarely ever get sick. I used to get at least a seasonal cold, but I rarely even get those, and I've never tested positive for flu, not even when I was a kid.
3) With all that said, I agree with you. I work in mfg with about 1500 employees. They got sick in waves, close contact. Of course some of them were false positives and got sent home for 2 weeks for no reason, but most of them got sick. I was fairly careful that first year because of my elderly mother, but not after she died from Parkinsons in Dec 2020. After 2 summers in a row with a 'summer flu/cold bug' which I attribute to stress (tested negative for covid both times), I finally got sick with Omicron in Jan 2022. Something was spreading seasonally - do they ever wonder why only people in the south got sick with covid in the summer?
4) Anosmia. Mathew Crawford has shared some of the DMED charts showing cases of anosmia rise only during the pandemic years.
Whether it's a virus or not, I don't really care, maybe bacteria. Whatever it was, it was contagious. The first outbreak at work involved 3 people working in the same lab area. All 3 got sick, took it home, and their entire families got sick. 5G doesn't do that.
I’m not sure I buy the season of the sun… we live in the Virgin Islands and since “covaids” my children and the people on this island are sick more often than before. It’s maddening and frustrating
My explanation... Previously uninfected people in the south might get sick with covid in the summer because they'll stay inside due to the heat, thus, more prone to transmission. Those in the north will, more likely, be outdoors enjoying the milder summer weather.
... Also, of the three Rice members who got sick with Covid-like symptoms in January 2020, zero of us later got Covid ... which suggests we very possibly had acquired natural immunity.
And, no, none of us got the "vaccine."
I caught a serious flu like illness while visiting So Calif in early December 2019. I returned to Oregon and fought it off for the next couple of weeks. When the Covid stories broke I wondered if I’d had an early case but everyone told me it couldn’t have been Covid because it didn’t arrive here in the states until later.
As Covid spread thru the country I heard many stories of people who were convinced they’d already had the bug but were told it was impossible.
I’ve often thought an interesting research project would be to survey those who insisted they’d already had an early case, before the official start date, and determine if they had ever caught Covid at a later time.
As for me, I have remained Covid free. I refused to get the shots, despite serious pressure from family members. I’ve been no fan of any vaccinations for a long time. And for this one in particular, my logic just told me to avoid it.
So here I am at 74 years old, no vax but possible natural immunity. And gearing up to resist whatever new poison the powers that be decide they need to give us.
I have made many posts proposing exactly the study you mention, Susan. Just study the people who think they had early Covid and see how many got Covid later (compared to those who were not sick earlier). I've heard from several friends who think they had early Covid - they also never got later Covid.
There's an obvious reason such a study has never been done and will never be done - "never investigate that which you don't want to confirm."
I was full time on twitter reading into early (acknowledged) covid in 2020, as it grew in Washington state. Lots of people were dropping into threads asking about symptoms, saying they thought they had something like that in 2019 or v early 2020, or knew someone who died. My memory was people in California asking these questions
I have no doubt that tens of millions of Americans have wondered if they had "early Covid." Are they ALL wrong?
No - I remember seeing the very early 'nextstrain' genetic trees - there was strain detected in a US person that genetically preceded the Wuhan market collection. It might have been a military person - perhaps someone returning from the military games over there.
Why lockdowns would have NEVER worked. It was already here and spreading and actually probably made spread worse in some areas. Piling up cut trees and furniture to block roads and posting guards at the entrances to medieval villages didn’t either. Have humans even evolved much past that? Looking around me—not so much.
The virus horse had escaped the barn and galloped around the world months earlier.
Feb 2018 for me, in Southern Indiana. I could have checked most of the covid-like symptoms including post viral syndrome, lasting strongly for 3 months but flaring intermittently for a year. Then offspring and husband had something in late fall of 2019, after we had moved to north Idaho. Fatigue, aches, pains, loss of taste/smell. None of us have been seriously ill since then, also uninjected.
Miss direction keeps the masses confused and denying a virus exists just keeps the fog level high. A virus replicates in human lung cells etc. and is expressed via respiratory expression and the droplets are inhaled by a susceptible human and the cycle is repeated. If major co-morbidities exists, the risk of dying increases. My view.
After many weeks investigating and researching my “early spread” hypothesis, I wrote what I incorrectly thought was a blockbuster exclusive on a couple from Sylacauga, Alabama who I think definitely had Covid in December 2019.
Tim McCain had a severe case and was in a Birmingham ICU unit for 24 days and nearly died. His wife was also very sick around Christmas. Both Tim and Brandie later tested positive for antibodies. Tim only got one antibody test, but his wife had at least three different positive tests.
The McCains were temporarily living at a friend’s house when they became ill. Regarding the “contagious” question, I note that everyone in the house got sick at the same time - both McCains, their two teenage children and the man who owned the house (who was as “sick as I’ve been in my life.”) Brandie’s boss also developed Covid symptoms at the same time.
As Brandie told me in a quote I included in my story (finally published by UncoverDC.com):
“It seems like everybody in town” was experiencing flu-like symptoms in December and January.
So what happened in Sylacuaga- two hours from Troy - also happened in my town.
Link:
https://www.uncoverdc.com/2020/06/25/an-alabama-man-nearly-died-from-covid-19-the-first-week-in-january/
The only other rational explanation for all of this is a mass poisoning event using biological weapons that shed from person to person hence they are contagious but quickly peter out. I am going to sit on the fence for a while longer if you don't mind?
The theory that the flu shots might have caused outbreaks and then sicknesses in 2019-2020 and 2020-2021 definitely deserves serious and honest investigation IMO.
Nobody who got sick in our family had received the flu shot, but that doesn't mean we couldn't have contracted a bug/virus from half of the population that had. And I've learned that the flu shot of 2019-2020 was different than previous flu shots.
This article sufficiently explains why viruses don’t exist. It’s eye opening. Please read, thanks 😊
https://open.substack.com/pub/conspiracysarah/p/perhaps-the-most-important-work-of?r=15k78n&utm_medium=ios
I'll read it. Thanks for the link.
While I’m sharing knowledge 😎 I should provide this one too. This is Part 1, you can get Part 2 on Jamie Andrew’s Substack.
https://open.substack.com/pub/onwardpod/p/the-truth-about-contagion-viruses?r=15k78n&utm_medium=ios
Really? Interesting. I don’t get those either.
This is a good hypothesis Bill.
There was an extraordinary out of season 'flu' in Western Australia in conjunction with the 'flu shots' in April/May/June 2019, resulting in a lot of deaths. It was quickly nipped in the bud - it may have just been bad flu shots rather than something promoting infection, since it didn't seem to transmit across to the rest of Australia. But I don't rule out some kind of 'pre-covid trial in the aged care homes. There was a pretty-bad novel cold/flu here at the end of 2018 - kept getting worse for 7 days - didn't know if I was going to get better.
we might never know. but this is not the first time something goes around. Remember as kids, the whole class got sick with measles almost at once. So for those that think contagious disease, whatever you call the item that causes it, do exist. That time my ex came home it was quite obvious he brought it home from a sick colleague and it transmitted to me in about 2 hours. Those that only believe environment causes might have a hard time explaining that.
I am still on the fence on that one as well because it does seem obvious by observation but then you test it in the lab and nothing is contagious! Just weird that one.
It's almost as bad as those quantum slit experiments, isn't it?
I've just been through a two-week bout of something very COVID-like. My wife went out and spent 30 minutes in a taxi driven by a woman who was recovering from it. Her whole family had been down with fever, tiredness, sore throat, and tummy trouble. The next day my wife developed symptoms and I followed a day after. We didn't spread it any further because our normal life is quite isolated and it was no trouble for us to just hunker down.
A similar thing happened in 2015 when along with our dog we both caught a norovirus infection from a visit to a veterinarian, and in December 2018 when we both brought back what I assume was influenza A/H1pdm09. That was my worst flu ever.
Before we turned 55, if I caught a cold or flu, she would never get it, and vice versa. But since then, we have always share our bugs. The simplest explanation is that our immune systems are no longer as capable of seeing off viruses without symptoms as they used to be.
I'm also sitting on the fence about the existence of viruses. But if they don't exist, what are all those thousands of people in white coats doing when they are testing, analyzing and categorizing all those different strains?
I'm also intrigued by JJ. Couey's infectious clone idea. That could account for some of the early COVID-19 outbreaks and how they fizzled out.
Groves's Law (which I've just made up): Any sufficiently advanced scientific technique looks like gobbledegook to the laity.
Exactly. Is it a wave or a particle? Depends on the observer!
There’s just so much we don’t know. I think all the whitecoats scurrying around are mostly pretending.
OK. But I do have a question for you = if it was a mass poisoning event what about other epidemics throughout history? Black Plague in 1300s comes to mind. It was all throughout Europe and both peasants and royalty had it. In those days royalty and peasants ate very different food and diets. So how could that have been a mass poisoning then? And all throughout an entire continent?
The Plague was not a virus but a bacteria. They can cause pandemics through mainly poor sanitation but since clean toilets and antibiotics there have been no pandemics. Viral pandemics are impossible and are usually a cover for mass democide. The Spanish Flu has no evidence whatsoever of it being worldwide and was poising by the government using huge quantities of aspirin by the handful mostly in the military.
Poisonings can be done in a myriad of ways, water food, spraying, nasal swabs, air conditioning take your pick.
Spanish flu was spread by the jabs; I never heard about the aspirin. Do you have a source for that?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19788357/
Thank you!
Here's my contribution from a few years ago, drawing on the same Starko paper Robert just shared, among others:
https://www.healingtruths.org/spanish_flu
See dr fauci. H3 dis a whole paper on it
Dr. Fauci can go suck rocks. He's the same idjit who killed 17,000 men in 1980s with AZT which he said would cure AIDS - it didn't, they died. Some of them were good friends of mine. Husband is a virologist/immunologist for 50 yrs, worked in PUblic Health Dept. of PA adivising public on how to handle disease epidemics, etc. and was working there during 1980s AIDS epidemic. My info comes from him but I also remember it coming out about AZT in 1980s. Fauci is deep state and one of the worst mass murderers to ever walk the earth.
Don't forget electricity... even the rare solar flares back during history.
Check out "The Invisible Rainbow" by Arthur Firstenberg.
Re Spanish Flu: Many people don't realize that (whatever it was) hit many countries all at the same time, long before we had quick methods of travel - when it took weeks or months to traverse the ocean to another continent.
Likely US cases were caused by vax shots.
Was it even truly worldwide, or did they "create" a scamdemic as they did with Covid? Reclassifying, making things up etc
You're right I forgot about that. I've been very sick this morning and have had foggy brain.
But what about flu epidemics thoughout history, or polio, yellow fever, ebola, and rocky mounted spotted fever?
It does depend whether you are using the old definition of a pandemic, in that case we have not had one for hundreds of years. If you are using the new Orwellian description of a pandemic by the WHO then almost everything ever is now a pandemic!
:) or maybe we should call modern pandemics "panic-demics"?
btw, I didn't use the word pandemic there, I was thinking of epidemics.
Read Sasha Latypova's work on past "pandemics" including the Spanish Flu
Bacterial....not a virus we can see bacteria now in our microscopes. Still can't see a virus...
Can we see exosomes? Anyone?
We can see viruses only under extremely high-powered microscopes, but they can be seen.
I understand a myriad of process like dyes and chemical manipulation must be done to “see” them. what if that changes what they see and then are misidentified from exosomes? Apparently they can’t take these and infect anyone so I don’t think we should be so sure about this. I’m on the fence. Very intriguing in any case. The massive amount of fraud and outright lying about everything keeps cynical but interested.
Do they look alike? Or where can 9ne see pics of them?
I agree. And what about syphilis, which spread like wildfire throughout Europe (and beyond) immediately after Columbus's first journey to the New World? It spread very quickly via vast armies and the enormous numbers of professional prostitues which accompanied those enormous armies during the massive, incessant wars of the 1500s. An even more malignant form of syphilis was spread throughout Europe (and beyond) during the many years of the French Revolutionary Wars, i.e. the Napoleonic Wars. The clinical and humanly devastating manifestations of syphilis became even more horrifying than they'd previously been around that time (i.e. the early 1800s.)
Read POX: Genius, Madness, and the Mysteries of Syphilis by Deborah Hayden for more information about this hideous, horrible human disease. POX was published in 2003 by Basic Books, and is available in paperback.
Caveat: The "parasite," or more specifically, the bacterium (called a "spirochete" due to its cork-like shape when viewed under a light microscope) is not a virus. But the "no virus" cohort often imply that there is no such thing as contagion from ANY kind of pathogenic micro-organism, whether viral, bacterial, or fungal, or from any other kind of microscopic organism, e.g. other kinds of single-celled micro-organisms, some of which are obligate parasites, such as plasmodium, which causes malaria.
Fence sitting is of course acceptable, but please allow me to add that theirs is an absolutely classic case of what we now know as Covid, complete with somewhat delayed abrupt worsening due to activation of the complement cascade. It’s not the virus itself (or whatever it is) that kills you; it’s the body’s response. Likewise, to those who claim that Covid is “just a cold” (and is in many, especially with more recent variants), please don’t overlook those who rapidly become acutely ill from a virus (or whatever it is) with a whole different skill set from the usual flu. I vote virus.
The 'delayed abrupt worsening' was a very interesting and novel feature of covid.
In my standard response to anything I got a fever which held the virus at bay. But after about 3 or 4 days my body was starting to suffer from the fever and shut it down. I felt good for about half a day but it gave the virus a chance to multiply - lost sense of smell and got a thick cough. And then maybe a cytokine storm set in - my heart rate went a bit wild - I had to consciously slow everything down with deliberate relaxation exercise to bring the wild immune response down. By then it was getting to 7 days and my immune system had solved the problem.
I definitely got 'something' in February 2020 in Western Australia that felt like I had been poisoned. I lost my sense of taste and smell for 6 months and had a full body rash. No respiratory symptoms, only a slight fever and still to this day have no idea what it was. (I have never 'tested' for covid in any way and unjabbed ofc). I am open to all sorts of hypothesis about what I had - it was very, very weird.
"biological weapons that shed from person to person" - like a virus, for example?
If you think you or someone you know might have had “early Covid,” join the crowd. Here’s two stories that summarize hundreds of people who think this. It would take you two hours to read both articles, but some of the personal anecdotes are very, very interesting - especially a couple of testimonials from the article in the second link.
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/no-ones-published-an-article-like
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/i-asked-for-early-spread-anecdotes?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
I was invited on a podcast where a bunch of "terrain theory" proponents were taking questions. Like you, I've always believed in viruses and contagion. I gave specific examples as you did, and each was systematically "refuted" with one of the following:
*we were all exposed to the same environmental toxins (water, 5G, what have you), which hit our individual "terrains" differently (for example why only 3 of the 4 might get sick) and appeared to be contagion
* we have similar lifestyle factors (in the case of the school, i.e. they're eating the same junk food, which again negatively impacts terrain)
* we *BELIEVE IN CONTAGION* and thus, psychosomatically, make ourselves "sick."
I presented the example of my brother dropping off his (VIOLENTLY ILL BUT HE DIDN'T MENTION THIS BEFORE HE DROPPED HER OFF) child one day in an emergency. Within 24 hours, I and both of my daughters had developed the identical VIOLENTLY ILL symptoms. (My husband wasn't home and thus, was spared.) My daughters were too young (maybe 2 and 4) to have been placebo effected (if you will) by this. Until someone can explain THAT to me, I suppose like you I'll continue to believe in viruses.
Great arguments and logic. We're probably not going to persuade those in the "no virus" camp though.
The No Virus team don't exactly say that viruses don't exist. What they say is that they haven't been proven to exist using the scientific method. And that is definitely true. If you believe they exist because you see evidence of contagion from personal and others' experience then ok. I mean I have a sense of that myself ... but at the same time it's weird how there's no sort of regularity to the seeming contagion and how do know for sure that it really is a pathogen that's being passed around and not something else responsible?
Petra, in your opinion, have atoms been proven to exist according to the scientific method?
I think it's possible to argue either way. We all know chemists and their test tubes and bunsen burners, and the periodic table, and Brownian motion, and e-ray crystallography, and scanning tunneling microscopy, and mass spectrometry. It's all very impressive and persuasive. But I've never seen or heard or smelt an actual atom in real life, so as far as I'm concerned, atoms remain theoretical constructs in the realm of modeling.
Recently, I've also been pondering more and more whether the scientific method has been proven to exist. A lot of scientists don't seem to follow it very closely.
I really have no idea about atoms and perhaps demanding the "scientific method" as described to prove the existence of viruses might be considered unfair. I'd argue any method that clearly proves something is fine by me. The thing is virology pretends to use the scientific method but doesn't. If virologists said, "Hey we can't use the scientific method, ie, proper controls, for virology because it doesn't fit, we need to use another method," then that's absolutely fine ... but they simply haven't used a viable method. All we have for viruses is that people get sick from something - we don't know what - and we get the impression that they pass that sickness onto others ... sometimes. That's it!
And we know there's not just unwitting fraud happening, there's definitely deliberate fraud happening too. Covid is a psyop from start to finish. There's certainly no evidence of the alleged sars-cov-2.
Great answer, Petra. Thank you.
The 'haven't been proven to exist using the scientific method' is beyond untrue on Every Single Possible Level. Everyday, ordinary studies were culturing of 100s of samples (and probably still are) to determine viral load of people who are sick.
Oh yes we all know virologists culture, Madeleine. Lots of culturing going on in petri dishes containing all manner of substances but that doesn't mean scientific method. Scientific method means using controls and virology doesn't use controls according to the scientific method. Please put forward a paper where it does. I recommend the article linked to for an understanding of how unscientific the process is.
https://conspiracysarah.substack.com/p/perhaps-the-most-important-work-of
"virologists"
What if... your nephew was exposed to something toxic that he also exposed your family to?
Everyone has their stories of how they "caught" something from someone, especially within a given household (including myself), but I also remember the many times that I or someone in my family somehow didn't get sick while the others were sick. We tend to forgot those times and/or rationalize that away with having a healthy immune system.
The most eloquent explanation I've heard from the terrain theory side of things is by Dr. Andrew Kaufman, but I can't for the life of me find that video. I won't be able to do it justice, but the idea is that our bodies goes through the cycle of the seasons similar to how plants and trees do. The leaves of trees and plants are analogous to our lungs, breathing in and absorbing CO2/O2 along with various of toxins and containment in the air. When autumn and winter come around, the leaves of plants and trees start to brown and ultimately fall to detox what has been accumulated throughout the spring and summer. Similarly, we start detoxing and shedding what we have accumulated during the warm months which we experience as symptoms of being sick. We cough, sneeze, expelling mucus, snot, etc. This would also explain why there is a seasonality of illness and health.
Have you ever heard of the Rosenau experiments conducted in 1919 that tried to document and prove contagion? If not, here is a short video that breaks it down quite nicely and also a link to the actual study:
https://rumble.com/v1glgnz-unmasking-the-proof-of-flu-transmission-roman-bystrianyk.html
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/221687
While I'm not fully convinced that viruses don't exist, I am convinced that they have not been properly isolated similar to how bacteria has been isolated. Either way, I think there is room for both theories. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
All living things are connected in some unfathomable way—Interdependence at a level we can’t conceive of. It is not hard for me to entertain that thought and the ones Dr. Kaufman has opined. I find it exciting and spiritual.
The book "Can You Catch a Cold?" by Dan Roytas goes through the science in great detail, including hundreds of studies. Worthwhile.
I have heard this argument before (viruses aren't real) and I am convinced it is propaganda planted by groups trying to confuse people. I call them countermeasures. It causes people to get confused and not sure where to draw the line. The release the information "Viruses are going to kill everyone unless you let us protect you with this free shot" and "viruses aren't real" at the same time. Any theories between there are conspiracy theories because the extreme was suggested and proven wrong. No one I know actually believes that they aren't real.
I second this. "Viruses are not real" is a classic propaganda tactic to get us arguing with each other and distract us from doing anything about the problem.
I will third this, which is why I focus on the tyranny and fear aspects.
And I will fourth it. In my opinion, the "tone" of some of the proponents of the No Virus theory is exactly the same "tone" as that used by some of the proponents of the Flat Earth theory, not to mention the No Manned Moon Landings theory.
These proponents tend to present their "knowledge" in a slick, smug "cleverer than thou" fashion that suggests they've been trained by the same handlers at some CIA Propaganda School.
Of course, it may be that there are no viruses, the Earth may be flat, and no manned moon landings may have happened. But If I am going to accept that, I am going to have to get there by examining the evidence on my own and listening to and weighing a lot of conflicting opinions. I don't want to be "walked past the sale" by people who talk like they are representing a cult or selling their ideologies aggressively and who have no interest in honest discussion or debate.
Sounds bad for the soul though. That focus. 🤷🏼♀️. There are lots of broken souls around. Not making a comparison to you. Just an observation over time these last 4 years.
It's very difficult, thank you for commenting, and you are absolutely right. I have (especially recently) noticed a catastrophic loss of discernment among many people who have had their nose to the grindstone the past few years.
In other words, many appear to have either lost their marbles overdosing on blackpills or are operating in a state of constant low-grade fear.
I would not have been able to do this unless I let go of a lot of anger and stuck close to Jesus. I write as a form of service to God in a state of repentance.
🙌🏼
People getting sick at approximately the same time is an epidemiological observation. The cause of the sickness is what has to be investigated. Many people almost simultaneously get sick from Scurvy, Beri Beri and Pellegra but the causative agent is not a virus. The problem with Covid is that molecular detection tests like PCR and Lateral flow have never been clinically validated for diagnosis. COVID was a mass hysteria caused by worldwide use of invalid diagnostic tests and deep fear.
Good points, and I agree with your last sentence but why did so many more people get sick between November 2019 and the end of February 2020?
Why did half of my wife's English class all get sick at the same time?
Also, these outbreaks never happen in, say, May or August.
One theory about why people get sick in the winter (for which there is little incentive by the medical industrial complex to investigate) draws an analogy between trees losing leaves in the fall and what is conventionally regarded as “sickness.” According to this theory, our bodies are triggered by less sunlight and lower humidity to detox all the food and environmental poisons accumulating inside us by getting “sick.” There is a related theory that the kind of incessant fear and widespread panic constantly propagated by the mass media caused psychological illness, which can manifest in physical ways. The point is this: medicine is only interested in illness if a profitable pharmacological treatment is indicated and all other contributing factors are ignored.
A good question. Why have all the contagion studies failed to get anyone sick? Obviously we don't know but we should try to find out.
Of course PCRs and RATs have been validated.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/X4lQ1n5s35h8
I am currently reading a book that is very well sourced and it is persuading me to seriously consider the no virus theory. ( 'Virus Mania' )As a side note I suffered from cold and flu like symptoms for decades usually accompanied by a prolonged cough. Every doctor I saw during that time diagnosised me with a viral infection(usually influenza) and bronchial inflammation.
Over time I realized I had a severe allergy to fruit of all things and it was this causing the symptoms. (Of course when I visited the doctor I was often advised to eat more fresh fruit for the vitamin C!) Since eliminating fruit (especially citrus) from my diet I have never had the flu since. I make these points to demonstrate that many reactions to many substances are indistinguishable from viral infections even by trained professionals.
Allergies might make sense as a counter theory to viruses, but then why do so many people all have allergic reactions at once?
This whole "viruses do not exist" is a hamster wheel of a distraction. Even our good friend and warrior, Dr. Michael Yeadon, has come out and tepidly supports the "no virus" claim: https://drmikeyeadon.substack.com/
Especially as those claims relate to the SARS-CovV-2 virus.
As to your family's anecdotal experience with what sounds truly like the Wuhan flu (my wife and I both swear we had it in December of '19), no one knows how the spread occurred among your family members. Believing how it spread and knowing how it did are two very disparate possibilities. Bugs: can't live with them; can't live without them.
RNA viruses by their very biological nature are seldom considered capable of creating pandemic-like circumstances. Too much chance for genetic integrity to wane as it reproduces. Something was definitely weird about this particular little monster.
Dr Mike Yeadon (microbiologist / toxicologist whose expertise in respiratory infections and vaccines placed him in his decade long role as VP at Pfizer), is no longer "tepid" in his no-virus stance.
After spending the last 3-4 years doing extensive research, he is now absolutely convinced that there is no such thing as pathogenic viruses, or contagion.
He writes about it a lot here on Substack:
https://drmikeyeadon.substack.com/
I hope to be able to use logic, reason, and expanding knowledge to better understand Dr. Yeadon's hypothesis on the "no virus" topic. I have a long way to go. Retracting the word "tepid" in my comment is a start. I've read enough of his work to now know that I misrepresented his position. (Sorry that I didn't get to the retraction sooner.) I'll still maintain that it's a distraction (for some, anyway) but a necessary element in our discussions.
I agree. We had several family members and friends get sick early as well including me and I agree with you on viruses as well. I'm very good at quarantine so I have been able to control the spread within my family so I also don't agree with those who say it's spread some other way other than virus. I used to call on labs that were messing around with viruses and I don't believe that we should be doing that at all. They definitely should not be making them more virulent or easily spread - bioweapons!
Thanks Bill. Peter and I both fell debilitatingly ill in January 2020--we live in Ithaca where there is a large student population at Cornell University from China and Peter had several Chinese patients --
We also tested negative for flu (for whatever those tests are worth...) Standard upper respiratory care by our allergist helped us recover after a couple of very rough weeks.
I also respect the first amendment. However I have lessening tolerance for the aggressiveness and spamming that occurs surrounding the 'not a virus' crowd on other people's substack boards in topics unrelated to that subject.
Overall, I am concerned by the amount of attention this issue of virus/no virus draws – it is so often brought up out of context with the examination of the overall totalitarian net being dropped upon the formerly free world that I fear it becomes another distraction from the deeper issues of our freedoms being stripped from us all.
The hypocrisy here is killing me. Both of you claim to respect free speech while blocking and censoring those that don't agree with you on your own substack articles. You claim that you only block those who are aggressive and spammy, but I was neither. If you disagree, please provide the evidence of when any of my comments fit that description.
Breggins also blocked me and I have no idea why. I would really like to talk to them about Australia's use of electroshock therapy.
I have blocked maybe two people - one for saying we must comply with the government and another I suspected was law enforcement. I always write an explanation under the block so people can see.
Their debate is a complete distraction. Social engineering.
My mother was hospitalized in late December 2019 until early January 2020. The nurses came in one day giving us all gowns, masks and gloves. We were told that she had a virus that they did not know. Later claiming it was RSV. There were 8 more rooms in the hall that were given masks, etc. My niece had gone on a cruise in early December and was very sick with bronchitis upon returning. Her friend ended up with pneumonia and a collapsed lung. When covid came out the health department came to check her blood. It was determined that she had had covid. This was in North Carolina.
Interesting. You are the second person who has told me NC Department of Health officials were actually, perhaps, investigating early spread. Any more details you can provide, please post here or email me at:
wjricejunior@gmail.com
Something environmental like 5G can be causing everyone in a given house and/or large area to get sick. Those controlling the towers would be able to control the strength and duration of those frequencies. Heavy metals and other toxins spread in the air via chemtrails, our foods, or our water systems can also get people sick in mass. These are just some examples.
The more important question is why haven't viruses been properly isolated without having to use monkey kidney cells, antibiotics, and other contaminants similarly to how bacteria is isolated?
5G was around when they ran the Spanish Flu Hoax? How about the Scamdemics they ran every 100 years since about 300BC? They had 5G back then? https://nurembergtrials.net/nuremberg-trials-2-0/f/5g-causes-covid19-or-symptoms-conspiracy-or-nikola-tesla-wireless
No 5G, but massive electrical lines were being rolled out at this time, poisonous gasses of all sorts were being used in the midst of WWI, and soldiers were being mass vaccinated with who knows what. Dr. Sam Bailey goes into great detail about the Spanish Flu Myth that has been shoved into our collective consciousness as the word of God: https://www.bitchute.com/video/km6FoP0O4Ko
Fascinating video, thank you.
No they were rolling out electricity......then radar
And my op 8s it's both..esp lack of vit d
if we just drop the name virus, it might be solved LOL. Call it germs. Then everyone is satisfied.
Not quite. "Germ Theory" is a hoax, as is contagion.
(Interesting: Look up the original meaning of the words "virus" and "contagion".)
Pathogenic "viruses "don't exist.
Bacteria are Good Guys; they are there to help, to remediate, when there is a problem. When the problem is bad or gets really severe, our bodies increase the bacteria to help fix the problem.
Bacteria are living entities so they create waste. The waste of bacteria is toxic to us, but our bodies can handle that just fine. It's when we get an overabundance of that waste (caused by increase in bacteria, which is there to fix a problem), then we get "sick". (That's why antibiotics relieve symptoms... it eliminates the bacteria, which reduces the toxic waste.... but also why many ppl get sick again if the bacteria didn't get a chance to finishing fixing the problem)
They definitely ramp up the waves from 5g here… you can feel it vibrating in your body on certain days
I live in Norway. I am 99% sure that I had covid during Christmas 2019. It was the strangest flu I had ever had. I was in bed for three days, and coughed a dry cough for a week. It was very different to earlier flus and colds. The whole of my family celebrated Christmas together, about 50% of us got sick. In January 2020, there were two different (small) newspaper articles about two teenage boys, from different parts of the country, that had died from the flu. I remember I found that very strange, as my son was the same age, it made an impact on my mind. Thats why I later remembered those little notes. I did of course not get the vaccine, why vaccinate against something that you’ve already had. A bloodtest in 2021 confirmed that I had covid-antibodies. I have only had covid once, as far as I know.
Thanks for sharing that anecdote from Norway. Your story has extra relevance as you later got an antibody test that would seem to show you'd been previously infected - no doubt in December 2019 - when Covid wasn't supposed to be circulating outside of China.
Bill:
RE: Patriots Unite & Push (PUP) event this Saturday, August 24th.
Here's a quick reminder that the event is just around the corner. Can't wait to see you there! I am a volunteer and will be in the guest check-in area scanning tickets.
Please note: The event will be held at the Von Braun Center in the South Hall Ballroom. (This is a change from the Propst Arena Lobby at the VBC).
Event details:
PUP: Patriots Unite and Push 2024
Von Braun Center- South Hall Ballroom, 700 Monroe St SW, Huntsville, AL 35801, USA
Thanks, Alice. When does it start? I need to drive up early Saturday or get a hotel on Friday night and maybe Saturday night. Huntsville is about a 5-hour-drive from Troy. Can you recommend a good (and affordable) hotel?
Bill: The doors open at 8am. The event starts at 8:30a.m.
I recommend the Springhill Suites Downtown https://www.marriott.com/reservation/rateListMenu.mi
Since it appears that you are considering staying Saturday evening, I would like to give you a complimentary ticket to the Honorary Brunch for LTC Theresa Long on Sunday, August 25th. The brunch is from 9am thru 11am at the Rocket City Tavern (2100 Rideout Road, Huntsville, AL 35808). Please let me know if you are interested in this so that I can get a ticket reserved for you.
Thank you, alice. Yes, I'll take advantage of that complimentary brunch. I'll probably wake up very early and drive up Saturday morning.
Bill:
I will reserve a brunch ticket for you.
Bill:
Here's a link with event info:
https://www.focusonamerica.us/pup-patriots-unite-and-push
The location at the VBC changed to the South Hall Ballroom because of acoustic issues in the Propst Arena area.
Here's info about our group, Focus on America: focusonamerica.us
Our FB page has additional info plus it contains the agenda for the event.
1) I don't have kids in school, but my coworkers do, and I always thought it was strange to hear they are shutting down the entire school when a few kids get sick. This was never, ever done when I was in school, and I'm sure it wasn't ever done when you were in school either. I can only imagine all of the vaccines have seriously weakened their immune systems.
2) Please tell me you've heard of the Hope-Simpson graph (I'm sure you have - if not http://hsmap.rice.edu/about). It is mind-boggling to me that the NYTimes was still reporting in 2022 in its morning newsletter some version of 'scientists are still baffled at why Covid seems to come and go in waves'. It was obviously linked by seasons of Sun (Vitamin D) deficiency. So with all that, do you parents talk about or provide Vit D supplements to your kids (and yourselves)? Zinc also. I used to suffer from 'wintertime blues', so I started taking Vit D supplements like 25 years ago. I rarely ever get sick. I used to get at least a seasonal cold, but I rarely even get those, and I've never tested positive for flu, not even when I was a kid.
3) With all that said, I agree with you. I work in mfg with about 1500 employees. They got sick in waves, close contact. Of course some of them were false positives and got sent home for 2 weeks for no reason, but most of them got sick. I was fairly careful that first year because of my elderly mother, but not after she died from Parkinsons in Dec 2020. After 2 summers in a row with a 'summer flu/cold bug' which I attribute to stress (tested negative for covid both times), I finally got sick with Omicron in Jan 2022. Something was spreading seasonally - do they ever wonder why only people in the south got sick with covid in the summer?
4) Anosmia. Mathew Crawford has shared some of the DMED charts showing cases of anosmia rise only during the pandemic years.
Whether it's a virus or not, I don't really care, maybe bacteria. Whatever it was, it was contagious. The first outbreak at work involved 3 people working in the same lab area. All 3 got sick, took it home, and their entire families got sick. 5G doesn't do that.
I’m not sure I buy the season of the sun… we live in the Virgin Islands and since “covaids” my children and the people on this island are sick more often than before. It’s maddening and frustrating
My explanation... Previously uninfected people in the south might get sick with covid in the summer because they'll stay inside due to the heat, thus, more prone to transmission. Those in the north will, more likely, be outdoors enjoying the milder summer weather.