I was reading a blog post a couple of months ago about a bike touring group in Italy late July 2019, who thought they had what is now known as covid. As Italy was hit pretty hard up north it seems to be reasonable to assume it may have been. The writer had not had C since, so seems to have antibodies. Theory is with the chinese workers moving back and forth to Italy they brought it early As more and more Italian fashion houses have outsourced work to China, specifically to Wuhan. Italy created direct flights from Wuhan and allowed over 100,000 citizens from China to move to Italy and work in their factories.
I didn't get into it with this article, but there are certain anecdotes that suggest virus spread in Wuhan began in September 2019 - weeks before the Wuhan Military Games. If this is true, this probably WOULD have allowed enough time for the virus to spread around the world by early to late October 2019.
Molecular evidence for SARS-CoV-2 in samples collected from patients with morbilliform eruptions since late 2019 in Lombardy, northern Italy
"The earliest sample with evidence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA was from September 12, 2019, and the positive patient was also positive for anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies (IgG and IgM). [...] Importantly, none of the identified cases, including the nine cases from 2019, were related to travel abroad."
Which means that patient must have been infected by someone who may or may not have traveled abroad, which means The Virus must have already been in Italy in early September 2019, maybe late August 2019.
And in the supplementary data, they list positive antibody results dating back to October 24, 2018, although they're considered inconclusive. But who knows what was really circulating and when.
If you believe the antibody tests are legitimate and you believe the virus is very contagious, you should probably believe in "early spread." If one person or one couple in NJ or S. Florida or rural Alabama was sick with this virus in, say, December 2019 ... a lot of their neighbors were too.
Im not sure its very contagious, as my village 65 houses has had only a few jabbed ( mandated for work) who supposedly got C and the 3 in our house have not had any sickness at all despite travelling ( during New Zealands harsh lockdowns) ignoring masking and such advice.
I think most people were infected 12 to 14 months before the jabs were available. So you'd have to go back in your mind and try to remember how many people were becoming "sick" of something between November 2019 and early March 2020. Probably a lot of your neighbors if your town is like mine.
No one was sick, New Zealand is very small and we are rural and isolated. We would have known if our neighbours had anything as we have a network of help people when anyone is sick or struggling ( ie food , wood for heating, veges ome grown, meat venison and wild pig) With only 200 people in the village we look after each other
One reason I believe in early spread ( of this infection by who knows what date? ) is because a new infection begins slowly normally and spreads in various pockets before becoming a full blown known outbreak. But, this outbreak of whatever, went and infected a lot of people all over the world within a unusual time period.
Have you sent these links to Matt Taibbi? I don't believe he is being a willing stooge in the government's narrative to blame China and deflect blame from DOD et. al.
No, I haven't. I was a subscriber but had to cut back on a few paid subscriptions. He has one of those Substack's where only paid subscribers can post. I hope someone links to it at his site.
Maybe he will revisit this topic. Maybe he had no idea about any of this early spread evidence. He should have.
taibbi@substack.com. Or tag him on twitter? Email Shellenberger too. If you put together a more concise post I would be happy to share as well (I have paid subs to both), but should come from the author. By "more concise" - specifically, direct sources to document antibody positive cases across the world, rather than links to your articles where you will then find those sources.
China is not reliable on any data released. That refers to date and location of occurrence of covid19 infection. Everybody else has to try and find the true information.
Italy isn’t reliable either. But that’s the country’s data everyone went by to presume it was lions and tigers and bears all the way down. By the time the Italians admitted they didn’t parse who died OF vs WITH covid (shocker!) we were getting steamrolled. Esteemed British epidemiologist Dr Neil Ferguson calculated the dire death predictions and wrote the lockdown strategy virtually the entire world followed based primarily on Italy’s data. Then was busted visiting his mistress for a tryst during the very lockdowns he authored. That’s the point when everyone should’ve been questioning everything. Why wasn’t he scared of the big bad virus?
China is the epicenter of covid psyops. As our media gleefully busied themselves scaring us to death China claimed they built a covid specific hospital in a week. A lie. They plastered social media with videos of a man falling down mid-gait on the sidewalk. Another lie. And, men in hazmat suits with foggers. Yes, another lie. All theatrics meant to embed the covid hysteria into our brains. They are not weakened by covid. WE ARE.
When Gov Grusome in CA insisted on extending lockdowns (even though he kept his winery open) Elon Musk was pissed because he said his Tesla factory in China had returned to normal. No problem. That’s why Tesla build their next American factory in Texas. Also numerous PhDs were saying their colleagues in China were fine. Except in rare instances China never mandated vaccinations, and they wouldn’t touch mRNA vaccines with a ten foot chopstick. This, despite Pfizer having a huge footprint in Beijing. The only facet of covid the Chinese were obsessed about was testing. Sure. Because they, like us, were gathering as much dna as they could get their grubby mitts on.
No such thing as a coronavirus that’d sweep the world in a matter of months. Coronaviruses are terrible at replication. The swarm continuously makes imperfect copies of itself.
That is why up until fairly recently they were near impossible to sequence. Coronaviruses are single strand RNA viruses. In order to pin them down they must be cloned to double stranded dna. Even then they exhibit poor fidelity and fizzle out.
That’s why there can never be a successful vaccine against them. Not even the common cold. And, that is why not everyone that catches a coronaviral infection passes it to everyone else. Not even in the same household.
The only way this scamdemic could work is if dna clones of an existing virus were deliberately released strategically in multiple areas. But since the effects would be temporary a campaign of fear and PCR testing was initiated to keep it going.
PCR was fraudulently seeded and overcycled to the point they’d find covid in a grain of sand.
Then they financially incentivized hospitals to treat every respiratory infection with remdesivir and vents which killed more patients than covid ever could.
The entire event was gamed towards a specific outcome that they knew most people, including most doctors, would never catch on to.
This was a program that accelerated the WEFs Agenda 2030, redistributed wealth worldwide to elites at an unprecedented pace, got rid of personal liberty, freedom and sovereignty. Eliminated Nuremberg and informed consent and dethroned politicians they didn’t like.
The list of benefits to them and losses to us is long.
Wuhan is a diversion. Smoke and mirrors like a magic trick specially designed for misdirection so we don’t see what’s happening nor try to do anything about it.
I keep hearing about that. I'm curious how impaired China is as a nation right now, especially given the ominous signals around a potential invasion of Taiwan.
The geopolitical chess moves occurring are far above my pay-grade of analysis. I also think more mundane factors explain why we will never get the full truth on virus origins. If the truth came out, this would reveal how incompetent and dishonest every government agency and major news organization was in promoting all the bogus Covid narratives (including the one on the start date of virus spread).
So as much as I've written on this topic and believe the truth should be exposed to punish the guilty and make sure such catastrophes don't happen again, I'm 99.9 percent certain the "truth" will never be revealed.
Extend that skepticism to ALL government data. There are so many failings of the data on technical and logistical reasons alone. Add to that political motives to hide (or, in the West, to boost) the number of "deaths" and "cases," and one should realize that very little can be taken at face value. If the situation was (still is?) that bad in the (relatively) open countries, imagine how tortured the "data" must be in authoritarian nations with long histories of censoring news when they aren't telling bald-faced lies.
It might be helpful to re-state conclusions that flow from my “early spread” evidence … to present a “thought exercise.” Here’s how one could express the take-aways from this evidence. Imagine a CDC press conference in, say, early March 2020, when the CDC director made a statement like this:
“We have now compiled volumes of evidence from several data points that lead us to conclude that the novel coronavirus was spreading widely in America, virus spread that probably began in October 2019. Our key data points include an observed spike in ILI cases in almost all U.S. states beginning in November 2019 as well as many positive antibody results of citizens who were symptomatic with Covid in the latter months of 2019. These include citizens from at least 16 states.
“Since we know this virus is very contagious, we can only conclude that millions of Americans have already been infected by this virus. While many people experienced serious flu-like symptoms, the great news is that there has been no spike in all-cause deaths. This tells our analysts that the Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) for Covid-19 is roughly the same as influenza and is NOT life-threatening to the vast majority of Americans.
“At one point, public health and government officials had seriously considered locking down large segments of the population - in effect, a quarantine of non-infected Americans - to slow or stop the spread of this virus. However, we now see that such draconian measures could not achieve this result and would, in fact, cause far more harm than these Non-Pharmaceutical-Interventions would alleviate.
“Also, while we are going to continue to work to develop a vaccine to prevent cases and virus spread, we do not believe this vaccine should be mandatory as the disease obviously poses no real mortality risk to the vast majority of Americans, especially healthy Americans under the age of 70 and certainly children, where we have seen no fatal cases.”
“The bottom line is that Americans should not fear this virus and should continue with their daily lives as normal.”
As one can see from this thought exercise, copious and acknowledged evidence of “early spread” would have detonated the two key interventions public health officials and government officials DID implement - namely “lockdowns” and an often mandatory new mRNA “vaccine” that had not undergone any real safety trials.
Some have said early spread evidence is a moot point as, if this did occur, it’s now “water under the bridge.” However, I argue that early spread evidence - if acknowledged - would give the world truer data on the real IFR of Covid. That is, we would know how many people had not died while the virus was spreading person-to-person throughout the country and world in the “flu season” of 2019-2020.
This more-accurate IFR information is still important as officials are still pushing “vaccine boosters.”
Another inference flowing from this thought exercise is that the vast majority of “Covid deaths” must have been “iatrogenic” deaths.
I think this thought exercise suggests why evidence of “early spread” was (and continues to be) concealed from the public. It would have destroyed the key fear-mongering narratives of this pandemic.
Furthermore, I assert that public health officials KNEW of the spike in ILI cases from contemporaneous weekly state and CDC "ILI Surveillance" reports.
I also assert officials could have already known the antibody results of the ONE study of pre-pandemic "archived" blood the CDC commissioned. It could have tested many more tranches of blood form throughout the country, but CHOSE to not do this.
It's also significant IMO that no PCR tests were being administered throughout the country between January and March 2020 - or the few early tests that were administered were only testing Americans who had recently returned from China - thus leaving off 99.999999 percent of possible infected people. Also, antibody tests did not become widely-adminstered until the last days of April 2020. If these tests had begun to be widely-administered earlier, there would have been even more "antibody" evidence of "early spread."
I think the PCR tests and antibody tests were "delayed" to conceal evidence of early spread.
One of my biggest points is that public health officials have not interviewed or investigated very plausible claims of early infection. For example, no public health official every interviewed Mayor Melham of Belleville, NJ.
But "virus origination sleuths" also didn't interview or investigate anyone else who attended the same conference Melham attended. I think it's very significant that Melham says "many" or "numerous" people from that conference later contacted him and reported they'd also become "sick" at the same conference.
I think many of these people contacted the mayor via email. This means Melham has/had the names of other likely "early cases." That is, "contact tracing" officials could have easily contacted these people as well. They could have questioned these people and given them antibody tests (in early May 2020).
Everyone who attended that conference registered. So those people could have easily been found and questioned ... if "investigators" were sincerely interested in investigating early spread. All of these people could have been possible "Case Zeroes" in the world or country ... of they could have given information that allowed investigators to keep working backwards and keep finding even-earlier likely cases. As always, it's the investigations that do NOT happen that provide the largest "tell" IMO.
I didn't mention any details about Americans who were sick in December, people who also later tested positive for antibodies. For example, Tim and Brandie McCain (of tiny, rural Sylacauga, Alabama) both were sick in December. Tim was hospitalized for 28 days and nearly died. He only got one positive antibody test, but his wife (who also became sick at the same time) has now had at least THREE positive antibody tests.
I interviewed a top official with the Alabama Dept. of Public Health about the McCains' likely early cases. I asked her why the agency hadn't even interviewed the McCains. She said the agency would do this if the hospital that treated Tim contacted the agency or if the McCains requested this.
Well, that's exactly what Brandie McCain did. She told me she left at least two phone messages with the ADPH, which were never returned. I later wrote a scathing email to Dr. Karen Landers, castigating her and her agency for not following up on these likely early cases - which pre-dated the first "confirmed" case in Alabama by months. I also got no reply.
I also found it telling that the hospital would not talk about Tim's cases with me and this hospital clearly did not contact any public health agencies about this obviously Covid-positive patient.
Again, I keep asking "Why wouldn't they at least interview such people?" My answer is they know if they did this, they might have to "confirm" that this virus was spreading widely throughout the country months before they said it was. This would prove they were liars.
My opinion: They KNOW the McCains had early Covid. Just like public health officials KNOW that millions of people have suffered vaccine injuries and deaths. But if official agencies don't investigate these claims ... they apparently don't exist or don't matter.
Again, they never investigate that which they don't want to "confirm."
It tears me up the most that our own government agencies, which are supposed to have our backs, are acting in bad faith. It's not just public health, it's the entirety of the bureaucracy now. It has to be reformed. Our state's public health apparatus, as well as the Dept. of Education did such awful things in the name of protecting everyone, with barely a shred of critical thinking, and with zero accountability. All the states around ours fared better simply because they are run by, I guess, a more competent apparatus.
Bill, if you're correct about early spread, then there's another unavoidable and ominous possibility that ought to be explored: That covid was seeded, on purpose, around the world. There is anecdotal evidence that some Chinese nationals were caught entering Canada carrying mysterious vials. It seems likely most of them got through. Or maybe people were simply infected and sent all over. Before anyone guffaws and says how monstrous and "tinfoil hat" that sounds, please think about how badly governments treat their own citizens and how the elite view regular people with nothing but contempt, comparing them to simple cattle. It is that mindset that allows them to engage in exactly these kinds of monstrous acts.
I agree, Ben. This possibility should at least be "explored" or considered. As you probably know, some writers have put forward this theory - most notably Ron Unz, who thinks the virus was seeded at the World Military Games in Wuhan in late October 2019.
Maybe this happened; maybe not. Per my evidence, this scenario/theory does not allow enough time for the virus to have spread around the world and infected all of the people I cite in this article.
For example, if many members of the U.S. delegation became sick between October 19 and the end of the Games a week or two later .... and then returned to their home bases or the states, this would be "world spread" starting in late October. As my evidence shows, plenty of people had already been infected by this date - so the "first outbreak" was NOT the World Military Games.
If the virus did originate in Wuhan, I think we'd have to estimate that "Case Zero" would have had to have been infected by at least early September 2019 for the "spread" to have reached four different countries and people in numerous U.S. states by some time in early October.
But that might be possible.
I think the theory that there were numerous "outbreak" points probably or might make sense. It certainly is a theory that needs to be considered.
Another theory is that "Case Zero" was actually in America. That's the nuclear or seismic theory. I don't know if this is true, but if it is true ... just use your imagination on what the fallout would be if this was ever "proven."
If anyone has read my article on "How Officials may have concealed evidence of early spread," they will get my main take-away: It was vitally important to conceal this evidence. One question would be: Why is/was it so important to conceal this evidence? There's many possible reasons dealing with lockdowns and vaccines, but another reason might be that any real investigation might eventually lead to the conclusion that the virus did "escape" from a lab ... in the United States. When one thinks about all the explosive revelations in world history, this stunner might be at the top of the list. Certainly, one can understand why knowledge of this would be Triple Top Secret and that any and all measures to keep this knowledge from being known ... would be employed.
Again, I of course don't know if this is what happened ... but if it did, it fits my evidence/observations on why and how so many measures were taken to thwart such an investigation or conceal such evidence. I think this possibility - ever "proven" - could break up the country. It would certainly financially break the country when one thinks of future reparations and lawsuit judgments.
I read s/where that we are going to soon be hearing more from Redfield's (new) claim that cases were occurring in September 2019. I still don't know why he has changed his tune so dramatically. When he was a part of the big CDC press conference on May 29, 2020 when he said the CDC had found "no evidence" or the virus in America before "latter January 2020."
If the virus was spreading from China or anywhere beginning in September 2019, of course this super contagious virus would have spread all over the world by the end of November.
That revelation about even MORE GOF labs is alarming to say the least. And Daszak and Eco Health Alliance are still getting tax payer money to do his "research!" That's obviously a payoff to keep him silent.
Now we’re getting somewhere. These are exactly the thought processes they’ve worked so hard to snuff out via multiple obfuscations. They knew they had to ride the wet market/bat/pangolin pony till it dropped. Had they focused on man-made over natural origin too early it’d lead to too many questions they didn’t want asked. Now it doesn’t matter as much. So, yeah, let’s deflect to Wuhan. It was a “real” pandemic, see? They just didn’t want to panic everyone (even though that’s exactly what they did). Those shots? Why, they were necessary! They were the antidote. Fauci & Co were the good guys trying to protect us from the bio equivalent of Chernobyl. See how that works.
My latest payment of gratitude for our host, posted to Facebook with link to this piece:
"'They never investigate that which they don't want to confirm.' Bill Rice, Jr. is doing terrific investigative journalism. I'm a paid subscriber, but it's no charge for those who don't wish to pay. I'm delighted to subsidize others for such important work.
Doug, you have made my day. Thank you very much. I'm also glad a few people read the "bonus comments" I make in the Reader Comments. And my readers make even better comments. That's why I wrote that article, "In Praise of Reader Comments!"
Funnily enough, I thought of "early spread cases" right away when the above new item was launched.. And since I've now run into the originator's blog of early spread by sheer coincidence (clicking on a comment of yours on eugypp), I say: Thanks for your work on this. By the way, my second thought was, why the "deep state" might have chosen this moment in time to feed Tabibi et al. with this info - Perhaps they were tasked with feeding this lab virus to the world and prefer to throw Wuhan to the dogs to preempt any further uncomfortable questions linking them to the crime of the century?
Thanks. I wonder how many posts I have made at other Substacks and other media sites on "early spread"? Too many to count. But they are worth it if I reach people like yourself!
I also am wondering "what's really going on" with feeding this story to Taibbi's site and team.
We know it really doesn't matter much if at all - so there is some agenda being advanced here. My guess is the same as yours - looks like they are moving in the direction of throwing China to the dogs? FWIW, this could escalate. China knows things too.
Excellent questions. I've been wondering much the same. Since (at least) early 2021 multiple semi- or mainstream media assets seem to have been going to great effort to "admit" or at least "allow" the possibility the virus was accidentally released from the WIV. This, I admit, seems to remain the most plausible origin. But still, a cynic such as myself asks these questions, as well as noticing that rarely, if ever, is any truly new data revealed with these supposed revelations. "Limited hangout" seems a more apt description. Sure seems like orchestrated misdirection to me. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it sure seems like some powerful people in the shadows are desperately trying to steer the narrative, basically saying "Don't ask those silly questions. Look over here! Shiny object!"
Good article. Attributing case zero to scientists at WIV is too much of neat package with a bow on it. If it's too good to be true, then it likely isn't true. I'm sort of surprised how easily the likes of Taibbi and Shellenberger were hoodwinked into believing government sources. But the truth is they didn't really follow covid that closely to be skeptical. Many on the left still think there are parts of the government who tell the truth and parts which don't, when the obvious truth is that they all lie.
Thank you, Lisa. I agree. It seems clear to me that Matt's team of reporters had NOT read any of my "early spread" articles or, if they did read them, they just ignored my evidence or thought it was unconvincing. But they at least should have explained why it was/is unconvincing.
"Here, we evaluated the serologic reactivity of pre-pandemic archival blood serum samples (pre-2019, collected from healthy donors in Bethesda from 2014 to 2018) [...] One donor from this group with high reactivity for SARS-CoV-2 was negative for both MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV."
Look at Fig. 5, that sample has indeed very high IgG reactivity.
So, what does that mean?
Either it's a false positive, which would cast some doubt on those antibody tests in general.
Or that person had been infected with something similar to SARS-CoV-2 but not SARS or MERS.
Or "The Virus" was circulating even earlier (winter 2018/19?), a theory which would be supported by that infamous wastewater analysis from Barcelona which claimed to have found evidence of "The Virus" in a sample from March 2019: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.13.20129627v1
Thanks, Thorsten. As a hobby, I'm collecting anecdotes and study excerpts from people who think they had even earlier cases - some dating back to 2018. When 104 readers contacted me with their claims, I think about five of them said they are convinced they had Covid in March or April 2019. The deeper I dig, the earlier I think the "start date" of spread might have been.
But I do harp on the fact millions of people had Covid-like/ILI symptoms beginning around November 2019. Far more people were going to the doctor and getting flu tests than had been the case in previous flu seasons. This suggests to me that the first big "outbreak" was happening beginning in November. I think "cases" actually peaked in December 2019 and January 2020. I think Covid was fading out on its own by the lockdown dates of mid-March 2020.
I agree with the second half of your statement--it was already fading in many locales right as we were getting the grand totalitarian treatment. Some midwest states never appeared to have huge outbreaks, which doesn't make any sense if the virus was novel and highly contagious. Something isn't right. Either it wasn't highly contagious, or it was, but it's just that it had spread widely already and that was either misunderstood, or intentionally concealed. They always talk about "tests" and they didn't have those tests early on, so I guess without "tests" there's no proof in their minds. They can't go back and look at how many people were showing up in hospitals and clinics in January 2020 and who had negative tests for Influenza, while showing all the same types of symptoms.
Look for my next ILI story. I'm going to try to show - I think I will show - that huge numbers of people (far more than in previous flu seasons) were going to the doctor and getting flu tests. The vast majority of these tests were coming back "negative" for influenza. So what virus made these people sick and go to the doctor's office or emergency room in such large numbers?
Also, I don't think it gets enough attention that people can have influenza and Covid at the same time. So one can't necessarily say, "This person tested positive for the flu, thus he could not have had Covid." Yes, he could have. Tim McCain had both. An ER doctor in New Orleans made a viral post about his hospital being over-run with Covid patients and this doctor noted that many of the Covid patients he was treating also tested positive for influenza.
I've had to unravel a lot of what happened just using basic logic principles. If you believe covid is/was a real thing, and not some kind of made up thing, then you have to also believe it was pretty contagious. Given that, then you can't really suggest it was circulating in 2018 because that would pull the whole outbreak forward in time, which we know didn't happen. Unless there were two different viruses released or something.
I think there's ample evidence that covid arrived in the US during the Fall of 2019 and was mistaken for other things while large numbers of people were becoming infected and going to the hospital, which I can back up with some evidence from that time.
Beyond that, we know that the US didn't "lock down" until March 2020, which makes the whole response of a politically-driven nature.
Getting away from logic for a moment, I think that once the perpetrators of this crime realized that it wasn't going to kill enough people (I think they were hoping for like 50%) then they moved to plan B, which they also war-gamed, which was to use a fear campaign against us all instead. That fear campaign, combined with media censorship, worked amazingly well for them in terms of their political ambitions.
We think the same way, Ben. I also think that "simple logic" tells us the virus had to be spreading by the fall of 2019. That is, if one believes the virus really is very contagious - And I think this is a "known knowable." So if a few people in City A became infected, they weren't going to be the only people in City A who were infected. My friend Will Jones of the Daily Sceptic agrees with some of my points, but he argues the "early spread" was just "low level" spread. That is, I guess, that a few people might become infected (and symptomatic), but large numbers of other people around them didn't get the virus for some reason.
That's not what my "evidence" shows. When someone became infected, they were giving the virus to others (like their spouses or children or co-workers). Also, some unknown person gave it to these people.
That's how I can say that if 2.04 percent of people had the virus in Washington, Oregon and California in November 2019 (per the "Red Cross Antibody Study), that percentage wasn't staying at 2.04 percent for long. The "prevalence" percentage was growing. Which gets me to the "logical" conclusion that MILLIONS of Americans were infected by the end of November.
And I don't mention the large numbers of people who probably had asymptomatic or very mild "cases."
What's your take on the Barcelona wastewater sample?
I originally dismissed it as false positive, but I'm not so sure anymore. The test conditions were not ideal because they used leftover samples that had been frozen, and the sample in question was only positive on one of the various tests they used. But that test is highly specific, i.e. cross reactivity with common cold coronaviruses is unlikely.
So, either the sample had been contaminated or mislabeled, which is possible.
Or "The Virus" was not so "novel" after all and something very similar was indeed circulating in early 2019. I used to think that wasn't very likely, but the more I look, the less I'm willing to dismiss that possibility.
I haven't dove deeply enough into the sewage wastewater studies to offer any bold insights. But I do know several wastewater/sewage tests also present compelling evidence that "early spread" was happening. I would say the positive AB results I have identified, the spike in ILI cases (certainly in America) and these waste water studies all strongly suggest people were being infected before those three scientists in Wuhan became "sick."
Again, if people were becoming infected (and obviously developed symptoms) were these illnesses somehow "isolated" and rare? I don't think so. Too many anecdotes report spouses, co-workers, school children (via school closings) were also becoming sick with the identical symptoms.
I think my "niche" is focussing on micro "case studies" more so than sewage studies or the later antibody studies that were done. I also think the antibody studies that were done are NOT picking up all of the people who had previously been infected. That is, I think the "false negative" numbers would be higher than the "false positive" numbers - perhaps by a significant percentage. I don't rule out the possibility that the "authorized" antibody tests/labs used for government purposes might be suspect - just like the PCR tests are.
The antibody tests are a mess, unfortunately. There are too many different types with different cutoff values, different interpretations on what is considered a "positive" etc. But I agree with your overall assessment. Regarding the spread in schools, this is already "later" (Jan/Feb 2020) but still before lockdown or other so-called "prevention measures": https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33860747/
Sure, okay, but if it hit the public in 2018, where was the outbreak? Are you saying it was hiding in plain sight as "the flu" or what are you saying? I agree that the lack of tests makes it impossible to tell what was going on, and so to the kinds of minds that inhabit public health departments, it simply didn't exist. No proof, you see? They all did such a great job after that, I mean, the testing of people actually made the whole situation more paranoid and thus WORSE by 2021. I took exactly one covid test the entire time and that was only because I had to go to my doctor to get a script for a sinus infection and they were all double and triple masked with plastic suits triaging anyone who had a sniffle and I had to go in through a back entrance and was treated like I had Ebola.
Great work, frustrating as it is. Regarding "Why is the copious evidence of “early spread” being ignored by public health officials, government officials and members of the press?"
It's like most things, all about incentives. Where is the incentive for them to act? The incentives are all pushing them to ignore the evidence. 30 or 40 years ago I think (not really sure anymore) there were a lot of people in the areas mentioned who were motivated simply by a desire to "do right", that was incentive enough. Those people are very rare today. It has to be in their self-interest to act.
Brilliant article as always, and you are on a great way to expose the whole scam!
Just to help understand why media are silent - listen this interview from National Citizen Inquiry in Canada about media. The news reporters are the one who helped to push and sustain this scam because they are afraid of losing their job and money.
Thanks, Explorer. I agree the media is completely complicit. They'll never investigate "early spread." I've tried to get them to do this. Crickets. Thanks for the nice words and the link.
I am more grateful to you, that you decided to look and search for truth behind this. It hurts my brain to see so many of my classmates, friends and colleagues acting as this even though we studied the same university, and I was thinking about them as intelligent.
It's incredibly beneficial for me to read or hear someone who finally came to the same conclusion. I can not measure it but the WOKE, Gender and other ideology makes so many people so much dumb, I can not believe it.
I am happy to hear that. But still I struggle to understand what has happened with people. I remember that in year 2014 it was normal to have this kind of polite, intelligent discussion about politics, life, world, space, fantasy, love, family and it was absolutely normal, we discuss it with people on Internet, around world, in pubs or everywhere. Many of the people were from America. Is it really possible that social media and smartphones changed the people so much? Did they turned them into demoralised machines without any hope in so short period of time? That's very hard to swallow for me.
But immediately I'm thinking, why is everyone pushing this timeline so hard?
I, you know, belive the real hidden original lie isn't about when but where. I see that MT is involved in one release. I supremely respect him. That's a wrinkle I must work through. Why would he be pushing a cover up? Of course all those pushing this cream to the top could be believers.
This article appears very comprehensive.
I'm gna put in about 12 hrs on a power nap to build up the energy required for digestion.
In my articles, I've now identified at least 153 "antibody-confirmed" cases of "early" Covid. All - or the vast majority - of these cases would have occurred in November 2019 or even earlier.
The counter-argument to my journalism is that these antibody results must have been producing "false positives" (probably from "cross-reactivity" to other viruses).
Okay, for the sake of argument, let's stipulate that 90 percent of the people who tested positive for antibodies actually didn't have Covid. Ninety percent of these test results were "false positives."
Okay, what about the other 10 percent?
This would leave us with at least 15 people around the world (10 percent of 153) who DID have legitimate positive antibody results that were Covid cases. (This would actually be 30 people as we don't know the identify of the 15 unknown virus-transmitters who infected the 15 people who later tested positive).
Question: How do the experts explain these 30 cases? If they all had Covid, the virus was "spreading" and didn't originate in Wuhan in November 2019 (as these people had not been to Wuhan or been infected by anyone who had been to Wuhan).
So, really, this knowledge/conclusion would prove that the virus existed by early November 2019 and was infecting people in multiple locations.
I think this leads to the conclusion that these naysayers of my theory would have to say that 100-percent of these antibody tests were "false positives." ALL of them were "false positives." They can't say that ANY of them were "real Covid."
So what they are really saying is that every antibody test that came back positive was bogus. The tests were awful and should all be discredited. Thinking about this, I wonder why the CDC even did that one "Red Cross" antibody study if study authors are going to come back and simply say, "Ignore this study. It's bunk. We don't believe our own results."
I keep making this point: If just one or two people really had Covid in November 2019 or earlier, this virus WAS spreading. But I don't think all 153 antibody results were bogus. I actually think it's more likely these antibody tests produce(d) "false negatives" than "false positives."
It is so obvious to me that this is a CIA cover story, they absolutely love wars, more wars, more money, more power. They are now at war with the entire world, Russia, China, Europe (Nordstream) and the american people (covid). This war is financial, biological and pyschological.
We know, Fauci and CDC leadership now admits that their "vaccine" can shed to others. As most all vaccines do, studies going back decades reveal that fact of vaccination, even Salk's "miracle" polio vaccine sheds:
Nearly Constant Shedding of Diverse Enteric Viruses by Two Healthy Infants
"Child 1...The first trivalent oral poliovirus vaccine (tOPV) was given at day 107. Poliovirus vaccine strain Sabin-2 (HEV-C species) was identified in the first sample analyzed from day 116, and the shedding continued until day 180 (73 days after tOPV administration)." ... "child 2..."Following tOPV administration on day 129, poliovirus vaccine strain shedding was recorded until day 183, starting with the first collected sample on day 142. Poliovirus (PV) shedding therefore lasted for 54 days after the first tOPV administration."
"In conclusion, we showed that BNT162b2 vaccine mRNA remains in the systemic circulation of vaccinated individuals for at least 2 weeks, during which it likely retains its ability to induce S-protein expression in susceptible cells and tissues."
"Third, as these experimental vaccines produce many trillions of spike proteins in their recipients, these vaccinated individuals “can shed some of these (spike protein) particles to close contacts,” causing disease in them."
And health authorities have known vaccines shed for years:
"Vaccine shedding is a form of viral shedding which can occur following a viral infection caused by an attenuated (or "live virus") vaccine, which is a specific vaccine technology that uses an attenuated form of a live virus. Illness in others resulting from transmission through this type of viral shedding is rare. A large proportion of vaccines are not attenuated (live virus) vaccines, and therefore cannot cause vaccine-induced viral shedding."
So, if we know that vaccines themselves are capable of shedding, not just "wild" infections, maybe we should take a look into what the 2019 influenza vaccine looked like?
This publication describes a brand-new style of flu vaccine that came online for the 2019-2020 flu season. Mammalian cell-based instead of egg-based. Claims that it was studied for efficacy...but no mention of safety trials:
"A new cell-based seasonal influenza vaccine has been issued marketing approval by the European Commission and will be available for the 2019/2020 flu season.
Flucelvax® Tetra (Seqirus) is the first cell-based quadrivalent influenza vaccine (QIVc) to be made available in Europe and is licensed for use in individuals aged nine years and older.
To date, there have been no randomised controlled trials comparing the efficacy of QIVc and standard egg-based quadrivalent vaccines (QIVe)"
“This real-world study, along with other emerging evidence, indicates that cell-based influenza vaccines may result in better influenza-related outcomes compared to standard egg-based vaccine options in some seasons"
"In the UK, the potential advantages of QIVc, which is cultured in mammalian cells rather than eggs"
“We are pleased to be bringing Flucelvax Tetra to the UK next season and have sufficient capacity at our cell-based manufacturing facility in the US to also ensure supply in September 2019"
This article is interesting. It says that they added live-attenuated influenza vaccines to the schedule. It goes on to say that flu vaccines most definitely, positively, absolutely don't cause the flu, and by that definition won't shed...even after all of the science on vaccines admit that live-attenuated vaccines do shed. Curious:
"The 2019–2020 influenza vaccine recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) have remained mostly the same, with the exception of adding the LAIV to the immunization schedule."
These articles tell us about the WHO's process is and what they decided the 2019-2020 vaccine recommendations would be. I'll note that the first link speaks to concerns with preparing for H3N2 from the prior year, while the second link says they ended up not developing that specific strain of vaccines, after all, and the third link says they went ahead and included the H3N2 variant, after all:
Now, this is an interesting story from CNN that came out in November, 2019, an important time frame in the evolution of the CV story. Note the discussion about the need to develop a new type of all-purpose vaccine, a desire to test it widely, one that focused on a protein they link to a particular virus...like, say, a spike protein. Fauci is frequently quoted in it:
"But a universal flu shot would theoretically cover every strain of the flu using what’s known as an ice cream cone approach."
"Last spring, doctors at the NIH started testing universal flu shots on Sonn and other study participants to see how their bodies respond.
“I have a personal connection to the flu,” Sonn explained. “My grandfather was orphaned due to the flu epidemic in April 1919.”
The 1918-1919 Spanish flu pandemic infected a third of the world’s population and killed 50 million people.
Losing his parents at 6 years old left a mark on Sonn’s grandfather, and subsequently on Sonn himself.
“He really had great trust in science and medical research, so I know he would be proud I’m taking part in this,” Sonn said.
One of the most useful things about the universal flu shot is that if it works out as hoped, it will also protect against flu pandemics like the one that killed Sonn’s great-grandparents.
In a flu pandemic, a new strain of flu virus emerges. Since very few people have immunity to it, it can spread quickly and easily.
There have been four flu pandemics in the past century: in 1918-1919; in 1957-1958; in 1968; and in 2009.
The research got an extra push in September when President Donald Trump signed an executive order aimed at developing a better flu vaccine.
Fauci said it could take less time – but still many years – to develop a semi-universal flu shot, which would protect against not all flu viruses, but rather a group of flu viruses."
"The faster and more precise method is not to grow the virus at all and instead just create the virus’ protein, he said.
“We clone the gene that codes for the specific protein we want,” Fauci said. “I don’t even want to see the virus. I just need the sequence of that virus, the genetic map of that virus. And you could send that to me by email.”
That’s the technology that’s being used to create the vaccines being trialed on participants like Sonn right now.
“We feel like we’re pioneers, and our volunteers are pioneers,” Ledgerwood said."
Hmm. What was that experimental technology they were trying out in the summer of 2019? Has everyone who took the jab made "pioneers" since 2020? And what of that experimental mammalian cell-based vaccine technology that the 2019-2020 flu vaccines were supposed to have?
Could the 2019-2020 influenza vaccine been the precursor to the pandemic? Mind you, authorities who we know have lied to us about much of pandemic only claimed that we experienced a coronavirus pandemic, but without ever providing the evidence of it. And we know that the testing was flawed, 90%+ false positives, the PCR markers tested for were largely identical to the common cold. What if the initial stages of the pandemic fear was adverse reactions to the 2019-2020 flu vaccines, that shed, as we know vaccines do? Especially live-attenuated vaccines, as some of the articles above say they were incorporating in that year's jab. Experimental technology, changes in vaccine types, inclusion of a notably bad variant that emerged in the late 2018-2019 flu season? Used as the predicate to test out that "ice cream cone" approach to vaccines that mRNA technology is supposed to be?
And notice the fear priming in the CNN article about the severity of the Spanish Flu, the strong emotional appeal of the test subject's "trust the science" personal loss of a relative - who the volunteer could've barely known if at all. Psychological priming about the Spanish Flu already being pushed in the media in November, 2019.
If there's any scoop to be had in the pandemic I suspect it will be found in a study searching for correlations between 2019-2020 flu vaccine recipients and 2020 flu-like symptoms (impossible to differentiate between influenza and CV at that stage) resulting in severe illness and death. Not "Case Zeroes" from WIV. Not prior circulation of CV, which was largely similar to the common cold if testing for antibodies. Search for any linkage between the 2019-2020 flu vaccines that were injected to severe illness and deaths, excess mortalities, especially in that early 2020 window when the typical lag we've seen following mass CV jab efforts by about 6-8 weeks, allowing for the effects of vaccine shedding to continue after inoculation. Now THAT would be a study I'd be interested in seeing the results of!
Agree with you! Wuhan is a distraction, and the timeline question is as well; useful to take eyes away from flu shots given in 2019!!!
I have come to believe that my extended illness originated from a flu shot first week of November 2019 when a week after the shot my hair covered my pillow and my body progressively deteriorated. After three years I am fine now but only after much effort and research.
Bill Rice needs to get together with Joel Smalley and crack some numbers, graphs and make a good case.
I remember seeing reports in March-April 2020 that officials were already noticing that many of the deaths and severe illnesses were coming from those who got the flu vaccine earlier that flu season. Which makes sense at one level, the elderly and at-risk would've taken them more than the general population. So a study would have to tease out the data to show CV harms in those who took the 2019 jab who were not in the at-risk population, just doing their usual routine because they believed in them.
I've not been able to find those reports in the stories I was bookmarking at the time. Which I'm glad I did for most of my reading then, since all search engines are pretty much crap these days, no matter which ones you try. Google provides most of the small SE's the raw data that's been scrubbed and formatted to deliver virtually the same results page after page after page, so finding those types of old stories is very difficult, on purpose. I search my bookmarks for old stories I want to reference that way. Just didn't think to bookmark the flu vaccine connection to CV ones.
Bibliography of some of my other key “early spread” articles …
Early Spread Evidence in One document:
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/early-spread-evidence-in-one-document?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
Detailed look at November early cases, all antibody-confirmed
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/covid-was-spreading-across-us-in?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
The spike in ILI cases shows millions of Americans had Covid “symptoms” months before the lockdowns:
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/influenza-like-illness-probably-tells?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
More than 20 ways I think officials intentionally concealed evidence of “early spread” …
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/theory-officials-intentionally-concealed?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
104 Americans share their anecdotes with me - 7 received positive AB tests:
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/i-asked-for-early-spread-anecdotes?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
My disagreement with a conclusion of Will Jones of The Daily Sceptic:
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/others-are-now-writing-about-early?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
I argue that one case study by itself can “prove” early spread:
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/one-case-study-proves-early-spread?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
It’s literally impossible, per official protocols, to “confirm” an early case of Covid:
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/can-a-case-of-early-spread-even-be?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
Detailed look at Red Cross Antibody Study - “The Dog that Didn’t Bark” evidence of a massive crime:
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/the-dog-that-didnt-bark?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
Why I think tens of millions of Americans had already been infected by the lockdown dates:
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/how-many-americans-had-been-infected?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
Local anecdotes got me started on “Early Spread” research:
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/how-i-got-started-on-early-spread?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
Here’s why “Early Spread” matters a great deal …
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/why-early-spread-matters?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
The NY Times made a big deal out of a nothing burger …
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/some-virus-origination-news-is-fit?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
Why no “early deaths” if millions of Americans had already been infected …
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/if-early-spread-happened-why-no-early?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
I was reading a blog post a couple of months ago about a bike touring group in Italy late July 2019, who thought they had what is now known as covid. As Italy was hit pretty hard up north it seems to be reasonable to assume it may have been. The writer had not had C since, so seems to have antibodies. Theory is with the chinese workers moving back and forth to Italy they brought it early As more and more Italian fashion houses have outsourced work to China, specifically to Wuhan. Italy created direct flights from Wuhan and allowed over 100,000 citizens from China to move to Italy and work in their factories.
I didn't get into it with this article, but there are certain anecdotes that suggest virus spread in Wuhan began in September 2019 - weeks before the Wuhan Military Games. If this is true, this probably WOULD have allowed enough time for the virus to spread around the world by early to late October 2019.
Entirely possible. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36029839/
Molecular evidence for SARS-CoV-2 in samples collected from patients with morbilliform eruptions since late 2019 in Lombardy, northern Italy
"The earliest sample with evidence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA was from September 12, 2019, and the positive patient was also positive for anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies (IgG and IgM). [...] Importantly, none of the identified cases, including the nine cases from 2019, were related to travel abroad."
Which means that patient must have been infected by someone who may or may not have traveled abroad, which means The Virus must have already been in Italy in early September 2019, maybe late August 2019.
And in the supplementary data, they list positive antibody results dating back to October 24, 2018, although they're considered inconclusive. But who knows what was really circulating and when.
If you believe the antibody tests are legitimate and you believe the virus is very contagious, you should probably believe in "early spread." If one person or one couple in NJ or S. Florida or rural Alabama was sick with this virus in, say, December 2019 ... a lot of their neighbors were too.
Im not sure its very contagious, as my village 65 houses has had only a few jabbed ( mandated for work) who supposedly got C and the 3 in our house have not had any sickness at all despite travelling ( during New Zealands harsh lockdowns) ignoring masking and such advice.
I think most people were infected 12 to 14 months before the jabs were available. So you'd have to go back in your mind and try to remember how many people were becoming "sick" of something between November 2019 and early March 2020. Probably a lot of your neighbors if your town is like mine.
No one was sick, New Zealand is very small and we are rural and isolated. We would have known if our neighbours had anything as we have a network of help people when anyone is sick or struggling ( ie food , wood for heating, veges ome grown, meat venison and wild pig) With only 200 people in the village we look after each other
One reason I believe in early spread ( of this infection by who knows what date? ) is because a new infection begins slowly normally and spreads in various pockets before becoming a full blown known outbreak. But, this outbreak of whatever, went and infected a lot of people all over the world within a unusual time period.
Have you sent these links to Matt Taibbi? I don't believe he is being a willing stooge in the government's narrative to blame China and deflect blame from DOD et. al.
No, I haven't. I was a subscriber but had to cut back on a few paid subscriptions. He has one of those Substack's where only paid subscribers can post. I hope someone links to it at his site.
Maybe he will revisit this topic. Maybe he had no idea about any of this early spread evidence. He should have.
You can email him directly
taibbi@substack.com. Or tag him on twitter? Email Shellenberger too. If you put together a more concise post I would be happy to share as well (I have paid subs to both), but should come from the author. By "more concise" - specifically, direct sources to document antibody positive cases across the world, rather than links to your articles where you will then find those sources.
Thanks. I just unpaused my paid subscription to Racket News and posted a link to this article.
China is not reliable on any data released. That refers to date and location of occurrence of covid19 infection. Everybody else has to try and find the true information.
Italy isn’t reliable either. But that’s the country’s data everyone went by to presume it was lions and tigers and bears all the way down. By the time the Italians admitted they didn’t parse who died OF vs WITH covid (shocker!) we were getting steamrolled. Esteemed British epidemiologist Dr Neil Ferguson calculated the dire death predictions and wrote the lockdown strategy virtually the entire world followed based primarily on Italy’s data. Then was busted visiting his mistress for a tryst during the very lockdowns he authored. That’s the point when everyone should’ve been questioning everything. Why wasn’t he scared of the big bad virus?
Only thing you can belive coming out of China was the crematorium smoke.
China is the epicenter of covid psyops. As our media gleefully busied themselves scaring us to death China claimed they built a covid specific hospital in a week. A lie. They plastered social media with videos of a man falling down mid-gait on the sidewalk. Another lie. And, men in hazmat suits with foggers. Yes, another lie. All theatrics meant to embed the covid hysteria into our brains. They are not weakened by covid. WE ARE.
They practiced a 0 covid policy.
Is that a lie too ?
When Gov Grusome in CA insisted on extending lockdowns (even though he kept his winery open) Elon Musk was pissed because he said his Tesla factory in China had returned to normal. No problem. That’s why Tesla build their next American factory in Texas. Also numerous PhDs were saying their colleagues in China were fine. Except in rare instances China never mandated vaccinations, and they wouldn’t touch mRNA vaccines with a ten foot chopstick. This, despite Pfizer having a huge footprint in Beijing. The only facet of covid the Chinese were obsessed about was testing. Sure. Because they, like us, were gathering as much dna as they could get their grubby mitts on.
I belive the opposite.
I belive China did their best to hide how bad it was.
Not make it look worse than it was.
China has a huge elderly problem, too many of them.
Covid helped with that problem.
No such thing as a coronavirus that’d sweep the world in a matter of months. Coronaviruses are terrible at replication. The swarm continuously makes imperfect copies of itself.
That is why up until fairly recently they were near impossible to sequence. Coronaviruses are single strand RNA viruses. In order to pin them down they must be cloned to double stranded dna. Even then they exhibit poor fidelity and fizzle out.
That’s why there can never be a successful vaccine against them. Not even the common cold. And, that is why not everyone that catches a coronaviral infection passes it to everyone else. Not even in the same household.
The only way this scamdemic could work is if dna clones of an existing virus were deliberately released strategically in multiple areas. But since the effects would be temporary a campaign of fear and PCR testing was initiated to keep it going.
PCR was fraudulently seeded and overcycled to the point they’d find covid in a grain of sand.
Then they financially incentivized hospitals to treat every respiratory infection with remdesivir and vents which killed more patients than covid ever could.
The entire event was gamed towards a specific outcome that they knew most people, including most doctors, would never catch on to.
This was a program that accelerated the WEFs Agenda 2030, redistributed wealth worldwide to elites at an unprecedented pace, got rid of personal liberty, freedom and sovereignty. Eliminated Nuremberg and informed consent and dethroned politicians they didn’t like.
The list of benefits to them and losses to us is long.
Wuhan is a diversion. Smoke and mirrors like a magic trick specially designed for misdirection so we don’t see what’s happening nor try to do anything about it.
I keep hearing about that. I'm curious how impaired China is as a nation right now, especially given the ominous signals around a potential invasion of Taiwan.
The geopolitical chess moves occurring are far above my pay-grade of analysis. I also think more mundane factors explain why we will never get the full truth on virus origins. If the truth came out, this would reveal how incompetent and dishonest every government agency and major news organization was in promoting all the bogus Covid narratives (including the one on the start date of virus spread).
So as much as I've written on this topic and believe the truth should be exposed to punish the guilty and make sure such catastrophes don't happen again, I'm 99.9 percent certain the "truth" will never be revealed.
China will never volunteer to decouple from the west.
Taiwan won't be attacked with kinetic warfare, until the west decouples from China.
Extend that skepticism to ALL government data. There are so many failings of the data on technical and logistical reasons alone. Add to that political motives to hide (or, in the West, to boost) the number of "deaths" and "cases," and one should realize that very little can be taken at face value. If the situation was (still is?) that bad in the (relatively) open countries, imagine how tortured the "data" must be in authoritarian nations with long histories of censoring news when they aren't telling bald-faced lies.
It might be helpful to re-state conclusions that flow from my “early spread” evidence … to present a “thought exercise.” Here’s how one could express the take-aways from this evidence. Imagine a CDC press conference in, say, early March 2020, when the CDC director made a statement like this:
“We have now compiled volumes of evidence from several data points that lead us to conclude that the novel coronavirus was spreading widely in America, virus spread that probably began in October 2019. Our key data points include an observed spike in ILI cases in almost all U.S. states beginning in November 2019 as well as many positive antibody results of citizens who were symptomatic with Covid in the latter months of 2019. These include citizens from at least 16 states.
“Since we know this virus is very contagious, we can only conclude that millions of Americans have already been infected by this virus. While many people experienced serious flu-like symptoms, the great news is that there has been no spike in all-cause deaths. This tells our analysts that the Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) for Covid-19 is roughly the same as influenza and is NOT life-threatening to the vast majority of Americans.
“At one point, public health and government officials had seriously considered locking down large segments of the population - in effect, a quarantine of non-infected Americans - to slow or stop the spread of this virus. However, we now see that such draconian measures could not achieve this result and would, in fact, cause far more harm than these Non-Pharmaceutical-Interventions would alleviate.
“Also, while we are going to continue to work to develop a vaccine to prevent cases and virus spread, we do not believe this vaccine should be mandatory as the disease obviously poses no real mortality risk to the vast majority of Americans, especially healthy Americans under the age of 70 and certainly children, where we have seen no fatal cases.”
“The bottom line is that Americans should not fear this virus and should continue with their daily lives as normal.”
As one can see from this thought exercise, copious and acknowledged evidence of “early spread” would have detonated the two key interventions public health officials and government officials DID implement - namely “lockdowns” and an often mandatory new mRNA “vaccine” that had not undergone any real safety trials.
Some have said early spread evidence is a moot point as, if this did occur, it’s now “water under the bridge.” However, I argue that early spread evidence - if acknowledged - would give the world truer data on the real IFR of Covid. That is, we would know how many people had not died while the virus was spreading person-to-person throughout the country and world in the “flu season” of 2019-2020.
This more-accurate IFR information is still important as officials are still pushing “vaccine boosters.”
Another inference flowing from this thought exercise is that the vast majority of “Covid deaths” must have been “iatrogenic” deaths.
I think this thought exercise suggests why evidence of “early spread” was (and continues to be) concealed from the public. It would have destroyed the key fear-mongering narratives of this pandemic.
Furthermore, I assert that public health officials KNEW of the spike in ILI cases from contemporaneous weekly state and CDC "ILI Surveillance" reports.
I also assert officials could have already known the antibody results of the ONE study of pre-pandemic "archived" blood the CDC commissioned. It could have tested many more tranches of blood form throughout the country, but CHOSE to not do this.
It's also significant IMO that no PCR tests were being administered throughout the country between January and March 2020 - or the few early tests that were administered were only testing Americans who had recently returned from China - thus leaving off 99.999999 percent of possible infected people. Also, antibody tests did not become widely-adminstered until the last days of April 2020. If these tests had begun to be widely-administered earlier, there would have been even more "antibody" evidence of "early spread."
I think the PCR tests and antibody tests were "delayed" to conceal evidence of early spread.
One of my biggest points is that public health officials have not interviewed or investigated very plausible claims of early infection. For example, no public health official every interviewed Mayor Melham of Belleville, NJ.
But "virus origination sleuths" also didn't interview or investigate anyone else who attended the same conference Melham attended. I think it's very significant that Melham says "many" or "numerous" people from that conference later contacted him and reported they'd also become "sick" at the same conference.
I think many of these people contacted the mayor via email. This means Melham has/had the names of other likely "early cases." That is, "contact tracing" officials could have easily contacted these people as well. They could have questioned these people and given them antibody tests (in early May 2020).
Everyone who attended that conference registered. So those people could have easily been found and questioned ... if "investigators" were sincerely interested in investigating early spread. All of these people could have been possible "Case Zeroes" in the world or country ... of they could have given information that allowed investigators to keep working backwards and keep finding even-earlier likely cases. As always, it's the investigations that do NOT happen that provide the largest "tell" IMO.
I didn't mention any details about Americans who were sick in December, people who also later tested positive for antibodies. For example, Tim and Brandie McCain (of tiny, rural Sylacauga, Alabama) both were sick in December. Tim was hospitalized for 28 days and nearly died. He only got one positive antibody test, but his wife (who also became sick at the same time) has now had at least THREE positive antibody tests.
I interviewed a top official with the Alabama Dept. of Public Health about the McCains' likely early cases. I asked her why the agency hadn't even interviewed the McCains. She said the agency would do this if the hospital that treated Tim contacted the agency or if the McCains requested this.
Well, that's exactly what Brandie McCain did. She told me she left at least two phone messages with the ADPH, which were never returned. I later wrote a scathing email to Dr. Karen Landers, castigating her and her agency for not following up on these likely early cases - which pre-dated the first "confirmed" case in Alabama by months. I also got no reply.
I also found it telling that the hospital would not talk about Tim's cases with me and this hospital clearly did not contact any public health agencies about this obviously Covid-positive patient.
Again, I keep asking "Why wouldn't they at least interview such people?" My answer is they know if they did this, they might have to "confirm" that this virus was spreading widely throughout the country months before they said it was. This would prove they were liars.
My opinion: They KNOW the McCains had early Covid. Just like public health officials KNOW that millions of people have suffered vaccine injuries and deaths. But if official agencies don't investigate these claims ... they apparently don't exist or don't matter.
Again, they never investigate that which they don't want to "confirm."
It tears me up the most that our own government agencies, which are supposed to have our backs, are acting in bad faith. It's not just public health, it's the entirety of the bureaucracy now. It has to be reformed. Our state's public health apparatus, as well as the Dept. of Education did such awful things in the name of protecting everyone, with barely a shred of critical thinking, and with zero accountability. All the states around ours fared better simply because they are run by, I guess, a more competent apparatus.
Bill, if you're correct about early spread, then there's another unavoidable and ominous possibility that ought to be explored: That covid was seeded, on purpose, around the world. There is anecdotal evidence that some Chinese nationals were caught entering Canada carrying mysterious vials. It seems likely most of them got through. Or maybe people were simply infected and sent all over. Before anyone guffaws and says how monstrous and "tinfoil hat" that sounds, please think about how badly governments treat their own citizens and how the elite view regular people with nothing but contempt, comparing them to simple cattle. It is that mindset that allows them to engage in exactly these kinds of monstrous acts.
I agree, Ben. This possibility should at least be "explored" or considered. As you probably know, some writers have put forward this theory - most notably Ron Unz, who thinks the virus was seeded at the World Military Games in Wuhan in late October 2019.
Maybe this happened; maybe not. Per my evidence, this scenario/theory does not allow enough time for the virus to have spread around the world and infected all of the people I cite in this article.
For example, if many members of the U.S. delegation became sick between October 19 and the end of the Games a week or two later .... and then returned to their home bases or the states, this would be "world spread" starting in late October. As my evidence shows, plenty of people had already been infected by this date - so the "first outbreak" was NOT the World Military Games.
If the virus did originate in Wuhan, I think we'd have to estimate that "Case Zero" would have had to have been infected by at least early September 2019 for the "spread" to have reached four different countries and people in numerous U.S. states by some time in early October.
But that might be possible.
I think the theory that there were numerous "outbreak" points probably or might make sense. It certainly is a theory that needs to be considered.
Another theory is that "Case Zero" was actually in America. That's the nuclear or seismic theory. I don't know if this is true, but if it is true ... just use your imagination on what the fallout would be if this was ever "proven."
If anyone has read my article on "How Officials may have concealed evidence of early spread," they will get my main take-away: It was vitally important to conceal this evidence. One question would be: Why is/was it so important to conceal this evidence? There's many possible reasons dealing with lockdowns and vaccines, but another reason might be that any real investigation might eventually lead to the conclusion that the virus did "escape" from a lab ... in the United States. When one thinks about all the explosive revelations in world history, this stunner might be at the top of the list. Certainly, one can understand why knowledge of this would be Triple Top Secret and that any and all measures to keep this knowledge from being known ... would be employed.
Again, I of course don't know if this is what happened ... but if it did, it fits my evidence/observations on why and how so many measures were taken to thwart such an investigation or conceal such evidence. I think this possibility - ever "proven" - could break up the country. It would certainly financially break the country when one thinks of future reparations and lawsuit judgments.
I read s/where that we are going to soon be hearing more from Redfield's (new) claim that cases were occurring in September 2019. I still don't know why he has changed his tune so dramatically. When he was a part of the big CDC press conference on May 29, 2020 when he said the CDC had found "no evidence" or the virus in America before "latter January 2020."
If the virus was spreading from China or anywhere beginning in September 2019, of course this super contagious virus would have spread all over the world by the end of November.
That revelation about even MORE GOF labs is alarming to say the least. And Daszak and Eco Health Alliance are still getting tax payer money to do his "research!" That's obviously a payoff to keep him silent.
Interesting details. Something was rotten at Ft. Derrick.
Now we’re getting somewhere. These are exactly the thought processes they’ve worked so hard to snuff out via multiple obfuscations. They knew they had to ride the wet market/bat/pangolin pony till it dropped. Had they focused on man-made over natural origin too early it’d lead to too many questions they didn’t want asked. Now it doesn’t matter as much. So, yeah, let’s deflect to Wuhan. It was a “real” pandemic, see? They just didn’t want to panic everyone (even though that’s exactly what they did). Those shots? Why, they were necessary! They were the antidote. Fauci & Co were the good guys trying to protect us from the bio equivalent of Chernobyl. See how that works.
My latest payment of gratitude for our host, posted to Facebook with link to this piece:
"'They never investigate that which they don't want to confirm.' Bill Rice, Jr. is doing terrific investigative journalism. I'm a paid subscriber, but it's no charge for those who don't wish to pay. I'm delighted to subsidize others for such important work.
"Great comments after the main post, as usual."
Doug, you have made my day. Thank you very much. I'm also glad a few people read the "bonus comments" I make in the Reader Comments. And my readers make even better comments. That's why I wrote that article, "In Praise of Reader Comments!"
I don't recall seeing that article; likely before I found you. I'd love to see it.
I have gone down countless rabbit holes because of readers' comments.
Here it is.
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/in-praise-of-reader-comments?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
These are some links I've noticed 2020:
Deadly Germ Research Is Shut Down at Army Lab Over Safety Concerns:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html
Outbreak of Lung Injury Associated with the Use of E-Cigarette
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html
it is especially alarming that the footprint of the EVALI epidemic nearly mirrors that of current COVID-19 pandemic reported cases:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/lio2.386
It seems as if the epidemic that was a pain has disappeared as quickly as COVID-19 surfaced:
https://www.veriheal.com/blog/whatever-happened-to-the-vape-crisis-and-evali-epidemic/
the Wuhan-1 strain is unlikely to be the original SARS-CoV-2 ancestor:
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210507/The-ancestor-of-SARS-CoV-2e28099s-Wuhan-strain-was-circulating-in-late-October-2019.aspx
Thanks very much for these links. I will read them all.
Thanks! You can brief me!
I've written an articel about it in Augist 2021, yet in Czech language. The Google translation woud be at https://www-janyr-eu.translate.goog/index.php/87-pandorina-skrinka?_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=cs&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Thanks. I'll check it out.
Funnily enough, I thought of "early spread cases" right away when the above new item was launched.. And since I've now run into the originator's blog of early spread by sheer coincidence (clicking on a comment of yours on eugypp), I say: Thanks for your work on this. By the way, my second thought was, why the "deep state" might have chosen this moment in time to feed Tabibi et al. with this info - Perhaps they were tasked with feeding this lab virus to the world and prefer to throw Wuhan to the dogs to preempt any further uncomfortable questions linking them to the crime of the century?
Thanks. I wonder how many posts I have made at other Substacks and other media sites on "early spread"? Too many to count. But they are worth it if I reach people like yourself!
I also am wondering "what's really going on" with feeding this story to Taibbi's site and team.
We know it really doesn't matter much if at all - so there is some agenda being advanced here. My guess is the same as yours - looks like they are moving in the direction of throwing China to the dogs? FWIW, this could escalate. China knows things too.
Excellent questions. I've been wondering much the same. Since (at least) early 2021 multiple semi- or mainstream media assets seem to have been going to great effort to "admit" or at least "allow" the possibility the virus was accidentally released from the WIV. This, I admit, seems to remain the most plausible origin. But still, a cynic such as myself asks these questions, as well as noticing that rarely, if ever, is any truly new data revealed with these supposed revelations. "Limited hangout" seems a more apt description. Sure seems like orchestrated misdirection to me. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it sure seems like some powerful people in the shadows are desperately trying to steer the narrative, basically saying "Don't ask those silly questions. Look over here! Shiny object!"
They have fallen back to "lab accident" because it's another dodge they can use to get away from "intentionally released."
Good article. Attributing case zero to scientists at WIV is too much of neat package with a bow on it. If it's too good to be true, then it likely isn't true. I'm sort of surprised how easily the likes of Taibbi and Shellenberger were hoodwinked into believing government sources. But the truth is they didn't really follow covid that closely to be skeptical. Many on the left still think there are parts of the government who tell the truth and parts which don't, when the obvious truth is that they all lie.
Thank you, Lisa. I agree. It seems clear to me that Matt's team of reporters had NOT read any of my "early spread" articles or, if they did read them, they just ignored my evidence or thought it was unconvincing. But they at least should have explained why it was/is unconvincing.
I should have all along, but now I am questioning everything that comes from Matt.
Could this be evidence for a case of "The Virus" back in 2018? https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10875-021-00997-6
"Here, we evaluated the serologic reactivity of pre-pandemic archival blood serum samples (pre-2019, collected from healthy donors in Bethesda from 2014 to 2018) [...] One donor from this group with high reactivity for SARS-CoV-2 was negative for both MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV."
Look at Fig. 5, that sample has indeed very high IgG reactivity.
So, what does that mean?
Either it's a false positive, which would cast some doubt on those antibody tests in general.
Or that person had been infected with something similar to SARS-CoV-2 but not SARS or MERS.
Or "The Virus" was circulating even earlier (winter 2018/19?), a theory which would be supported by that infamous wastewater analysis from Barcelona which claimed to have found evidence of "The Virus" in a sample from March 2019: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.13.20129627v1
Thanks, Thorsten. As a hobby, I'm collecting anecdotes and study excerpts from people who think they had even earlier cases - some dating back to 2018. When 104 readers contacted me with their claims, I think about five of them said they are convinced they had Covid in March or April 2019. The deeper I dig, the earlier I think the "start date" of spread might have been.
But I do harp on the fact millions of people had Covid-like/ILI symptoms beginning around November 2019. Far more people were going to the doctor and getting flu tests than had been the case in previous flu seasons. This suggests to me that the first big "outbreak" was happening beginning in November. I think "cases" actually peaked in December 2019 and January 2020. I think Covid was fading out on its own by the lockdown dates of mid-March 2020.
I agree with the second half of your statement--it was already fading in many locales right as we were getting the grand totalitarian treatment. Some midwest states never appeared to have huge outbreaks, which doesn't make any sense if the virus was novel and highly contagious. Something isn't right. Either it wasn't highly contagious, or it was, but it's just that it had spread widely already and that was either misunderstood, or intentionally concealed. They always talk about "tests" and they didn't have those tests early on, so I guess without "tests" there's no proof in their minds. They can't go back and look at how many people were showing up in hospitals and clinics in January 2020 and who had negative tests for Influenza, while showing all the same types of symptoms.
Look for my next ILI story. I'm going to try to show - I think I will show - that huge numbers of people (far more than in previous flu seasons) were going to the doctor and getting flu tests. The vast majority of these tests were coming back "negative" for influenza. So what virus made these people sick and go to the doctor's office or emergency room in such large numbers?
Also, I don't think it gets enough attention that people can have influenza and Covid at the same time. So one can't necessarily say, "This person tested positive for the flu, thus he could not have had Covid." Yes, he could have. Tim McCain had both. An ER doctor in New Orleans made a viral post about his hospital being over-run with Covid patients and this doctor noted that many of the Covid patients he was treating also tested positive for influenza.
I've had to unravel a lot of what happened just using basic logic principles. If you believe covid is/was a real thing, and not some kind of made up thing, then you have to also believe it was pretty contagious. Given that, then you can't really suggest it was circulating in 2018 because that would pull the whole outbreak forward in time, which we know didn't happen. Unless there were two different viruses released or something.
I think there's ample evidence that covid arrived in the US during the Fall of 2019 and was mistaken for other things while large numbers of people were becoming infected and going to the hospital, which I can back up with some evidence from that time.
Beyond that, we know that the US didn't "lock down" until March 2020, which makes the whole response of a politically-driven nature.
Getting away from logic for a moment, I think that once the perpetrators of this crime realized that it wasn't going to kill enough people (I think they were hoping for like 50%) then they moved to plan B, which they also war-gamed, which was to use a fear campaign against us all instead. That fear campaign, combined with media censorship, worked amazingly well for them in terms of their political ambitions.
We think the same way, Ben. I also think that "simple logic" tells us the virus had to be spreading by the fall of 2019. That is, if one believes the virus really is very contagious - And I think this is a "known knowable." So if a few people in City A became infected, they weren't going to be the only people in City A who were infected. My friend Will Jones of the Daily Sceptic agrees with some of my points, but he argues the "early spread" was just "low level" spread. That is, I guess, that a few people might become infected (and symptomatic), but large numbers of other people around them didn't get the virus for some reason.
That's not what my "evidence" shows. When someone became infected, they were giving the virus to others (like their spouses or children or co-workers). Also, some unknown person gave it to these people.
That's how I can say that if 2.04 percent of people had the virus in Washington, Oregon and California in November 2019 (per the "Red Cross Antibody Study), that percentage wasn't staying at 2.04 percent for long. The "prevalence" percentage was growing. Which gets me to the "logical" conclusion that MILLIONS of Americans were infected by the end of November.
And I don't mention the large numbers of people who probably had asymptomatic or very mild "cases."
What's your take on the Barcelona wastewater sample?
I originally dismissed it as false positive, but I'm not so sure anymore. The test conditions were not ideal because they used leftover samples that had been frozen, and the sample in question was only positive on one of the various tests they used. But that test is highly specific, i.e. cross reactivity with common cold coronaviruses is unlikely.
So, either the sample had been contaminated or mislabeled, which is possible.
Or "The Virus" was not so "novel" after all and something very similar was indeed circulating in early 2019. I used to think that wasn't very likely, but the more I look, the less I'm willing to dismiss that possibility.
I haven't dove deeply enough into the sewage wastewater studies to offer any bold insights. But I do know several wastewater/sewage tests also present compelling evidence that "early spread" was happening. I would say the positive AB results I have identified, the spike in ILI cases (certainly in America) and these waste water studies all strongly suggest people were being infected before those three scientists in Wuhan became "sick."
Again, if people were becoming infected (and obviously developed symptoms) were these illnesses somehow "isolated" and rare? I don't think so. Too many anecdotes report spouses, co-workers, school children (via school closings) were also becoming sick with the identical symptoms.
I think my "niche" is focussing on micro "case studies" more so than sewage studies or the later antibody studies that were done. I also think the antibody studies that were done are NOT picking up all of the people who had previously been infected. That is, I think the "false negative" numbers would be higher than the "false positive" numbers - perhaps by a significant percentage. I don't rule out the possibility that the "authorized" antibody tests/labs used for government purposes might be suspect - just like the PCR tests are.
The antibody tests are a mess, unfortunately. There are too many different types with different cutoff values, different interpretations on what is considered a "positive" etc. But I agree with your overall assessment. Regarding the spread in schools, this is already "later" (Jan/Feb 2020) but still before lockdown or other so-called "prevention measures": https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33860747/
Sure, okay, but if it hit the public in 2018, where was the outbreak? Are you saying it was hiding in plain sight as "the flu" or what are you saying? I agree that the lack of tests makes it impossible to tell what was going on, and so to the kinds of minds that inhabit public health departments, it simply didn't exist. No proof, you see? They all did such a great job after that, I mean, the testing of people actually made the whole situation more paranoid and thus WORSE by 2021. I took exactly one covid test the entire time and that was only because I had to go to my doctor to get a script for a sinus infection and they were all double and triple masked with plastic suits triaging anyone who had a sniffle and I had to go in through a back entrance and was treated like I had Ebola.
The whole thing is just utterly bonkers.
Great work, frustrating as it is. Regarding "Why is the copious evidence of “early spread” being ignored by public health officials, government officials and members of the press?"
It's like most things, all about incentives. Where is the incentive for them to act? The incentives are all pushing them to ignore the evidence. 30 or 40 years ago I think (not really sure anymore) there were a lot of people in the areas mentioned who were motivated simply by a desire to "do right", that was incentive enough. Those people are very rare today. It has to be in their self-interest to act.
Thanks, Steel J. Great point.
Brilliant article as always, and you are on a great way to expose the whole scam!
Just to help understand why media are silent - listen this interview from National Citizen Inquiry in Canada about media. The news reporters are the one who helped to push and sustain this scam because they are afraid of losing their job and money.
https://rumble.com/v35289o-rodney-palmer-mar-30-2023-toronto-on.html
Thanks, Explorer. I agree the media is completely complicit. They'll never investigate "early spread." I've tried to get them to do this. Crickets. Thanks for the nice words and the link.
I am more grateful to you, that you decided to look and search for truth behind this. It hurts my brain to see so many of my classmates, friends and colleagues acting as this even though we studied the same university, and I was thinking about them as intelligent.
It's incredibly beneficial for me to read or hear someone who finally came to the same conclusion. I can not measure it but the WOKE, Gender and other ideology makes so many people so much dumb, I can not believe it.
It warms my heart whenever I get a few emails or posts like this one ... so thanks.
I am happy to hear that. But still I struggle to understand what has happened with people. I remember that in year 2014 it was normal to have this kind of polite, intelligent discussion about politics, life, world, space, fantasy, love, family and it was absolutely normal, we discuss it with people on Internet, around world, in pubs or everywhere. Many of the people were from America. Is it really possible that social media and smartphones changed the people so much? Did they turned them into demoralised machines without any hope in so short period of time? That's very hard to swallow for me.
Something changed ... and in a hurry too. I can't figure it out either.
My assumption is that we see results of this -
https://archive.is/FMzWd (What the Internet is doing to our brains
By Nicholas Carr)
But if its true, it makes me very worried. Specially that nobody noticed till now. That's truly frightening.
Wow.
Mid South East Doc has raised his long hand.
I have your started article.
But immediately I'm thinking, why is everyone pushing this timeline so hard?
I, you know, belive the real hidden original lie isn't about when but where. I see that MT is involved in one release. I supremely respect him. That's a wrinkle I must work through. Why would he be pushing a cover up? Of course all those pushing this cream to the top could be believers.
This article appears very comprehensive.
I'm gna put in about 12 hrs on a power nap to build up the energy required for digestion.
In my articles, I've now identified at least 153 "antibody-confirmed" cases of "early" Covid. All - or the vast majority - of these cases would have occurred in November 2019 or even earlier.
The counter-argument to my journalism is that these antibody results must have been producing "false positives" (probably from "cross-reactivity" to other viruses).
Okay, for the sake of argument, let's stipulate that 90 percent of the people who tested positive for antibodies actually didn't have Covid. Ninety percent of these test results were "false positives."
Okay, what about the other 10 percent?
This would leave us with at least 15 people around the world (10 percent of 153) who DID have legitimate positive antibody results that were Covid cases. (This would actually be 30 people as we don't know the identify of the 15 unknown virus-transmitters who infected the 15 people who later tested positive).
Question: How do the experts explain these 30 cases? If they all had Covid, the virus was "spreading" and didn't originate in Wuhan in November 2019 (as these people had not been to Wuhan or been infected by anyone who had been to Wuhan).
So, really, this knowledge/conclusion would prove that the virus existed by early November 2019 and was infecting people in multiple locations.
I think this leads to the conclusion that these naysayers of my theory would have to say that 100-percent of these antibody tests were "false positives." ALL of them were "false positives." They can't say that ANY of them were "real Covid."
So what they are really saying is that every antibody test that came back positive was bogus. The tests were awful and should all be discredited. Thinking about this, I wonder why the CDC even did that one "Red Cross" antibody study if study authors are going to come back and simply say, "Ignore this study. It's bunk. We don't believe our own results."
I keep making this point: If just one or two people really had Covid in November 2019 or earlier, this virus WAS spreading. But I don't think all 153 antibody results were bogus. I actually think it's more likely these antibody tests produce(d) "false negatives" than "false positives."
It is so obvious to me that this is a CIA cover story, they absolutely love wars, more wars, more money, more power. They are now at war with the entire world, Russia, China, Europe (Nordstream) and the american people (covid). This war is financial, biological and pyschological.
We know, Fauci and CDC leadership now admits that their "vaccine" can shed to others. As most all vaccines do, studies going back decades reveal that fact of vaccination, even Salk's "miracle" polio vaccine sheds:
Nearly Constant Shedding of Diverse Enteric Viruses by Two Healthy Infants
Journal of Clinical Microbiology, November, 2012 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3486243/
"Child 1...The first trivalent oral poliovirus vaccine (tOPV) was given at day 107. Poliovirus vaccine strain Sabin-2 (HEV-C species) was identified in the first sample analyzed from day 116, and the shedding continued until day 180 (73 days after tOPV administration)." ... "child 2..."Following tOPV administration on day 129, poliovirus vaccine strain shedding was recorded until day 183, starting with the first collected sample on day 142. Poliovirus (PV) shedding therefore lasted for 54 days after the first tOPV administration."
So, the mRNA OWS "vaccine" shed:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9313234/
"In conclusion, we showed that BNT162b2 vaccine mRNA remains in the systemic circulation of vaccinated individuals for at least 2 weeks, during which it likely retains its ability to induce S-protein expression in susceptible cells and tissues."
https://principia-scientific.com/covid-vaccinated-can-shed-spike-protein-harming-unvaccinated/
"Third, as these experimental vaccines produce many trillions of spike proteins in their recipients, these vaccinated individuals “can shed some of these (spike protein) particles to close contacts,” causing disease in them."
And health authorities have known vaccines shed for years:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_shedding
"Vaccine shedding is a form of viral shedding which can occur following a viral infection caused by an attenuated (or "live virus") vaccine, which is a specific vaccine technology that uses an attenuated form of a live virus. Illness in others resulting from transmission through this type of viral shedding is rare. A large proportion of vaccines are not attenuated (live virus) vaccines, and therefore cannot cause vaccine-induced viral shedding."
https://expose-news.com/2022/09/08/fda-knows-about-vaccine-shedding/
So, if we know that vaccines themselves are capable of shedding, not just "wild" infections, maybe we should take a look into what the 2019 influenza vaccine looked like?
This publication describes a brand-new style of flu vaccine that came online for the 2019-2020 flu season. Mammalian cell-based instead of egg-based. Claims that it was studied for efficacy...but no mention of safety trials:
https://pharmaceutical-journal.com/article/news/first-cell-based-quadrivalent-vaccine-available-for-2019-2020-flu-season
"A new cell-based seasonal influenza vaccine has been issued marketing approval by the European Commission and will be available for the 2019/2020 flu season.
Flucelvax® Tetra (Seqirus) is the first cell-based quadrivalent influenza vaccine (QIVc) to be made available in Europe and is licensed for use in individuals aged nine years and older.
To date, there have been no randomised controlled trials comparing the efficacy of QIVc and standard egg-based quadrivalent vaccines (QIVe)"
“This real-world study, along with other emerging evidence, indicates that cell-based influenza vaccines may result in better influenza-related outcomes compared to standard egg-based vaccine options in some seasons"
"In the UK, the potential advantages of QIVc, which is cultured in mammalian cells rather than eggs"
“We are pleased to be bringing Flucelvax Tetra to the UK next season and have sufficient capacity at our cell-based manufacturing facility in the US to also ensure supply in September 2019"
This article is interesting. It says that they added live-attenuated influenza vaccines to the schedule. It goes on to say that flu vaccines most definitely, positively, absolutely don't cause the flu, and by that definition won't shed...even after all of the science on vaccines admit that live-attenuated vaccines do shed. Curious:
https://www.uspharmacist.com/article/20192020-influenza-vaccine-update
"The 2019–2020 influenza vaccine recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) have remained mostly the same, with the exception of adding the LAIV to the immunization schedule."
These articles tell us about the WHO's process is and what they decided the 2019-2020 vaccine recommendations would be. I'll note that the first link speaks to concerns with preparing for H3N2 from the prior year, while the second link says they ended up not developing that specific strain of vaccines, after all, and the third link says they went ahead and included the H3N2 variant, after all:
https://elemental.medium.com/inside-the-making-of-the-flu-vaccine-c5d6f8cd174c
https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/who-vaccine-recommendations-are-used-pharmaceutical-companies-develop-produce-and-license-influenza
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/918053
Now, this is an interesting story from CNN that came out in November, 2019, an important time frame in the evolution of the CV story. Note the discussion about the need to develop a new type of all-purpose vaccine, a desire to test it widely, one that focused on a protein they link to a particular virus...like, say, a spike protein. Fauci is frequently quoted in it:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/29/health/universal-flu-vaccine/index.html
"But a universal flu shot would theoretically cover every strain of the flu using what’s known as an ice cream cone approach."
"Last spring, doctors at the NIH started testing universal flu shots on Sonn and other study participants to see how their bodies respond.
“I have a personal connection to the flu,” Sonn explained. “My grandfather was orphaned due to the flu epidemic in April 1919.”
The 1918-1919 Spanish flu pandemic infected a third of the world’s population and killed 50 million people.
Losing his parents at 6 years old left a mark on Sonn’s grandfather, and subsequently on Sonn himself.
“He really had great trust in science and medical research, so I know he would be proud I’m taking part in this,” Sonn said.
One of the most useful things about the universal flu shot is that if it works out as hoped, it will also protect against flu pandemics like the one that killed Sonn’s great-grandparents.
In a flu pandemic, a new strain of flu virus emerges. Since very few people have immunity to it, it can spread quickly and easily.
There have been four flu pandemics in the past century: in 1918-1919; in 1957-1958; in 1968; and in 2009.
The research got an extra push in September when President Donald Trump signed an executive order aimed at developing a better flu vaccine.
Fauci said it could take less time – but still many years – to develop a semi-universal flu shot, which would protect against not all flu viruses, but rather a group of flu viruses."
"The faster and more precise method is not to grow the virus at all and instead just create the virus’ protein, he said.
“We clone the gene that codes for the specific protein we want,” Fauci said. “I don’t even want to see the virus. I just need the sequence of that virus, the genetic map of that virus. And you could send that to me by email.”
That’s the technology that’s being used to create the vaccines being trialed on participants like Sonn right now.
“We feel like we’re pioneers, and our volunteers are pioneers,” Ledgerwood said."
Hmm. What was that experimental technology they were trying out in the summer of 2019? Has everyone who took the jab made "pioneers" since 2020? And what of that experimental mammalian cell-based vaccine technology that the 2019-2020 flu vaccines were supposed to have?
Could the 2019-2020 influenza vaccine been the precursor to the pandemic? Mind you, authorities who we know have lied to us about much of pandemic only claimed that we experienced a coronavirus pandemic, but without ever providing the evidence of it. And we know that the testing was flawed, 90%+ false positives, the PCR markers tested for were largely identical to the common cold. What if the initial stages of the pandemic fear was adverse reactions to the 2019-2020 flu vaccines, that shed, as we know vaccines do? Especially live-attenuated vaccines, as some of the articles above say they were incorporating in that year's jab. Experimental technology, changes in vaccine types, inclusion of a notably bad variant that emerged in the late 2018-2019 flu season? Used as the predicate to test out that "ice cream cone" approach to vaccines that mRNA technology is supposed to be?
And notice the fear priming in the CNN article about the severity of the Spanish Flu, the strong emotional appeal of the test subject's "trust the science" personal loss of a relative - who the volunteer could've barely known if at all. Psychological priming about the Spanish Flu already being pushed in the media in November, 2019.
If there's any scoop to be had in the pandemic I suspect it will be found in a study searching for correlations between 2019-2020 flu vaccine recipients and 2020 flu-like symptoms (impossible to differentiate between influenza and CV at that stage) resulting in severe illness and death. Not "Case Zeroes" from WIV. Not prior circulation of CV, which was largely similar to the common cold if testing for antibodies. Search for any linkage between the 2019-2020 flu vaccines that were injected to severe illness and deaths, excess mortalities, especially in that early 2020 window when the typical lag we've seen following mass CV jab efforts by about 6-8 weeks, allowing for the effects of vaccine shedding to continue after inoculation. Now THAT would be a study I'd be interested in seeing the results of!
Agree with you! Wuhan is a distraction, and the timeline question is as well; useful to take eyes away from flu shots given in 2019!!!
I have come to believe that my extended illness originated from a flu shot first week of November 2019 when a week after the shot my hair covered my pillow and my body progressively deteriorated. After three years I am fine now but only after much effort and research.
Bill Rice needs to get together with Joel Smalley and crack some numbers, graphs and make a good case.
I remember seeing reports in March-April 2020 that officials were already noticing that many of the deaths and severe illnesses were coming from those who got the flu vaccine earlier that flu season. Which makes sense at one level, the elderly and at-risk would've taken them more than the general population. So a study would have to tease out the data to show CV harms in those who took the 2019 jab who were not in the at-risk population, just doing their usual routine because they believed in them.
I've not been able to find those reports in the stories I was bookmarking at the time. Which I'm glad I did for most of my reading then, since all search engines are pretty much crap these days, no matter which ones you try. Google provides most of the small SE's the raw data that's been scrubbed and formatted to deliver virtually the same results page after page after page, so finding those types of old stories is very difficult, on purpose. I search my bookmarks for old stories I want to reference that way. Just didn't think to bookmark the flu vaccine connection to CV ones.
I have also noticed that the encyclopedic quality of the internet has much diminished.
Maybe Bill Rice can have his respondents share their flu shot history of 2019 as a starting point.